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Re: 2021 Vuelta CQ Game
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2021, 23:42 »
A look at the numbers

Green points
Those who got a stage win or greater than its equivalent in stage points.
ROGLIC Primoz      445      5 teams
JAKOBSEN Fabio      290      20
CORT NIELSEN Magnus      275      1
PHILIPSEN Jasper      167      0
STORER Michael      140      0
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel      139      17
MAS NICOLAU Enric      135      3
DAINESE Alberto      118      6
CHAMPOUSSIN Clément      106      2
MATTHEWS Michael      89      0
TRENTIN Matteo      85      1
BAGIOLI Andrea      85      3
BARDET Romain      84      6
YATES Adam      76      3
HAIG Jack      70      2
CARUSO Damiano      70      0
MAJKA Rafal      70      5
TAARAMÄE Rein      70      1
SENECHAL Florian      70      0


How they helped:
1      Triley36      915   FJ/Cort/Lopez/Mas
2      Mellow_Velo      908   Roglic/FJ/Dainese
3      Search      774   Roglic/FJ
4      Rote_Laterne      749   Roglic/FJ
5      Bminchow      681   FJ/Lopez/Bagioli
6      Comodoro      668   FJ/Lopez/Dainese/Bardet
7      Berflamand      629   FJ/Champoussin/Bagioli/Yates/Haig
8      Otoxiep87      625   FJ/Lopez/Dainese
9      SafeBet      621   FJ/Lopez/Yates
10      BluesInTheBottle      609   Roglic/Lopez
11      Northerner      601   FJ/Lopez//Bardet/Yates
12      Leadbelly      582   FJ/Lopez/Majka
13      Bonimenier      555   FJ/Lopez
14      ArchieBoy      548   FJ/Mas/Bardet
15      DJSprtsch      542   FJ/Lopez/Bagioli
16      Yellow_Knight      493   FJ/Lopez
17      Titan31      492   FJ/Dainese
18      Earns1985      480   FJ/Lopez
19      ChrisDK      478   FJ/Lopez
20      BicycleBoy      472   Roglic
21      AmisVelo      468   FJ/Lopez
22      Salvarani      464   FJ/Dainese
23      Rufs      450   Lopez/Dainese/Bardet/Majka
24      Vladimir      377   Lopez/Champoussin/Majka
25      Del1962      347   Lopez/Bardet
26      RedheadDane      317   Mas/Trentin/Taaramae
27      Koronin      207   Majka
28      Armchair_Cyclist      193   Bardet/Haig
      Collective_Wisdom      569   FJ/Lopez and ave of Bardet & Dainese

The best scoring  team I could find in this classification within budget is:
ROGLIC Primoz
JAKOBSEN Fabio
CORT NIELSEN Magnus
STORER Michael
DAINESE Alberto
KRUIJSWIJK Steven
CALMEJANE Lilian
+ Any of 12 guys with cost<22 and no green points

This lot would have scored 1328 in the green points classification alone.


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    Re: 2021 Vuelta CQ Game
    « Reply #31 on: September 08, 2021, 01:04 »
    Red points

    Similarly, those who brought their managers over 100 points in total for the main game:

    Price Stage pts GC pts Other † TOTAL teams
    ROGLIC Primoz      2583      445      500      245      1190      5
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      867      135      375      13      523      3
    HAIG Jack      375      70      315      7      392      2
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      95      290      15      70      375      20
    YATES Adam      792      76      265      0      341      3
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      322      275      15      25      315      1
    EIKING Odd Christian      271      18      120      126      264      0
    BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley      1480      37      215      4      256      13
    MÄDER Gino      438      15      240      0      255      0
    STORER Michael      284      140      26      70      236      0
    KUSS Sepp      396      60      165      5      230      4
    DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David      367      10      190      0      200      3
    CHAMPOUSSIN Clément      329      106      84      0      190      2
    BARDET Romain      559      84      54      40      178      6
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      1168      167      0      0      167      0
    CARUSO Damiano      817      70      78      15      163      0
    GROSSSCHARTNER Felix      356      28      135      0      163      1
    KRUIJSWIJK Steven      81      43      112      0      155      3
    MARTIN Guillaume      923      0      150      0      150      0
    MAJKA Rafal      311      70      62      10      142      5
    DAINESE Alberto      70      118      15      7      140      6
    LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel      434      139      0      0      139      17
    TAARAMÄE Rein      136      70      15      36      121      1
    TRENTIN Matteo      484      85      15      15      115      1
    MATTHEWS Michael      1000      89      15      5      109      0
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro      66      0      104      0      104      2
    BAGIOLI Andrea      289      85      15      3      103      3
    † Other points are Red Jersey bonuses, and points in the Sprint and KoM classifications.

    And the impact of these riders on the game:
    1      Mellow_Velo      1887   Roglic/FJ/Kruijswijk/Dainese
    2      Search      1659   Roglic/FJ
    3      Rote_Laterne      1615   Roglic/FJ
    4      Triley36      1613   Mas/FJ/Cort/Kuss/MAL
    5      BluesInTheBottle      1592   Roglic/MAL/Lopez Perez
    6      Berflamand      1418   Haig/FJ/Yates/Champoussin/Bagioli
    7      Bminchow      1300   FJ/Bernal/Kuss/Kruijswijk/MAL/Bagioli
    8      BicycleBoy      1298   Roglic
    9      Otoxiep87      1291   FJ/Bernal/De la Cruz/Grossschartner/Dainese/MAL
    10      Northerner      1265   FJ/Yates/De la Cruz/Bardet/MAL
    11      ArchieBoy      1175   Mas/FJ/Bardet
    12      SafeBet      1171   FJ/Yates/Kuss/MAL
    13      Yellow_Knight      1038   FJ/Bernal/De la Cruz/MAL
    14      ChrisDK      999   FJ/Bernal/MAL/Lopez Perez
    15      Leadbelly      973   FJ/Bernal/Majka/MAL
    16      Comodoro      899   FJ/Dainese/Bardet/MAL
    17      Armchair_Cyclist      873   Haig/Bernal/Bardet
    18      Rufs      872   Bernal/Bardet/Majka/Dainese/MAL
    19      Vladimir      865   Bernal/Champoussin/Majka/MAL
    20      Titan31      863   FJ/Bernal/Dainese
    21      RedheadDane      846   Mas/Taaramae/Trentin
    22      Earns1985      845   FJ/Bernal/MAL
    23      Del1962      840   Bernal/Bardet/Kruijswijk/MAL
    24      Salvarani      835   FJ/Bernal/Dainese
    25      AmisVelo      832   FJ/Bernal/MAL
    26      Bonimenier      743   FJ/Majka/MAL
    27      DJSprtsch      694   FJ/MAL/Bagioli
    28      Koronin      549   Kuss/Majka
          Collective_Wisdom      961   FJ/Bernal/MAL + ave of Bardet & Dainese

    Almost as important to having success as having Roglic was not having Bernal: once he had been bought, it was almost impossible to get enough points to make up for his relatively poor showing.  MAL was not a total disaster in the game, unlike the more expensive and more popular Landa (and unlike Valverde: the two teams that paid out big for him occupy the last two places.)

    But Roglic's score was so huge, and Jakobsen such good value, that you could reach the game's podium with Cepeda or Cherel as your 3rd highest scorer once you had those two (or make the top ten with Cerny as your second best if you had Roglic).

    Blues in the Bottle got a very decent 5th place, but would actually have done better if he had opted for his alternative selection that featured Mas, Haig, Bernal, Kuss and Dainese (would have come 3rd).  Mellow Velo, on the other hand, will be glad to have gone for this team rather than the alternative he shared that had Jakobsen, Yates, Bernal, Dainese and Lopez, which would have seen him tenth rather than top.

    The best possible team I can find would not have Roglic or Bernal, but has 8 of the top ten scoring riders and is still within budget:
    MAS NICOLAU Enric
    HAIG Jack
    JAKOBSEN Fabio
    YATES Adam
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus
    EIKING Odd Christian
    STORER Michael
    MÄDER Gino
    for 2701 points

    I tried a few combinations with Roglic: the best I could find was very similar to the best green points team but with Cras instead of Calmejane, and Cabedo as the <22 price rider, getting 2549.

    I have got a few more names and numbers to share, but must get to bed...



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    Re: 2021 Vuelta CQ Game
    « Reply #32 on: September 08, 2021, 08:19 »
    Nice one MV. :cool

    So Velorooms won three of the four year's titles? Both in terms of the actual winner and the averaged out H2H scoring?

    Not bad. :shh
    Not bad, and in this one this site filled the podium.  Since I started the inter-forum challenge, (last year's Tour), VR has won all but one.
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    Re: 2021 Vuelta CQ Game
    « Reply #33 on: September 08, 2021, 11:56 »
    Nice one MV. :cool

    So Velorooms won three of the four year's titles? Both in terms of the actual winner and the averaged out H2H scoring?

    Not bad. :shh

    Ta.
    We on here provide quality, if not quantity. ;)


    Thanks AC for another adding the spice to another season of GTs.
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    Re: 2021 Vuelta CQ Game
    « Reply #34 on: September 09, 2021, 01:06 »
    Best percentage returns

    Price Score %age return teams
    FINE Eddy      0      15      infinite      1
    CHEREL Mikael      5      21      420.0      3
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      95      375      394.7      20
    CABEDO CARDA Oscar      20      70      350.0      1
    CUADROS MORATA Alvaro      7      15      214.3      2
    DAINESE Alberto      70      140      200.0      6
    CRAS Steff      35      68      194.3      0
    KRUIJSWIJK Steven      81      155      191.4      3
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro      66      104      157.6      2
    BROWN Connor      10      15      150.0      0
    CALMEJANE Lilian      42      55      131.0      1
    AZPARREN IRURZUN Xabier Mikel      13      15      115.4      2
    PALZER Anton      14      15      107.1      2
    HAIG Jack      375      392      104.5      2
    SUNDERLAND Dylan      15      15      100.0      0
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      322      315      97.8      1
    EIKING Odd Christian      271      264      97.4      0
    TAARAMÄE Rein      136      121      89.0      1
    SCULLY Tom      35      30      85.7      0
    CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro      48      40      83.3      2
    STORER Michael      284      236      83.1      0
    BAGÜES KALPARSORO Aritz      20      15      75.0      0
    SANCHEZ MAYO Pelayo      22      15      68.2      0
    ROCHAS Rémy      134      90      67.2      0
    DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd      100      67      67.0      0
    NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel      87      56      64.4      0
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      867      523      60.3      3
    PUCCIO Salvatore      25      15      60.0      0
    SINKELDAM Ramon      25      15      60.0      0
    VAN MELSEN Kevin      25      15      60.0      0

    Impeccable picks
    ROGLIC Primoz
    MAS NICOLAU Enric
    HAIG Jack
    JAKOBSEN Fabio
    KRUIJSWIJK Steven
    DAINESE Alberto
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
    CABEDO CARDA Oscar
    CHEREL Mikael
    FINE Eddy

    Disaster picks
    Cost more than average, selected by at least one of us, scored <10%
    %ageTeams
    POELS Wout      9.7      1
    PIDCOCK Thomas      5.5      4
    VLASOV Aleksandr      1.5      1
    CICCONE Giulio      2.7      5
    VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro      0.2      2
    LANDA MEANA Mikel      0.4      22
    CARTHY Hugh      0.0      4

    And finally, the Four Seasons Challenge for those who have taken part in all 4 of the games I run during the season.  Leadbelly was so far ahead in this that there seemed no likelihood of him being challenged: Otoxiep87 reduced the gap considerable, but not enough to stop the winner of the Spring and TdF games from gaining the year's top position.

    Spring Classics Giro Tour Vuelta Total Pos'n change in Vuelta
    1      Leadbelly      2602      1929      1893      973      7397      0
    2      Otoxiep87      2248      2115      1501      1291      7155      0
    3      Mellow_Velo      1994      2049      773      1887      6703      2
    4      Rote_Laterne      1938      1819      1168      1615      6540      0
    5      AmisVelo      2249      1281      1675      832      6037      -2
    6      BluesInTheBottle      1928      982      1507      1592      6009      3
    7      Triley36      1546      1581      1135      1613      5875      4
    8      Bminchow      2112      1927      509      1300      5848      0
    9      Comodoro      1594      1795      1283      899      5571      -3
    10      Del1962      1705      1733      1149      840      5427      -3
    11      Search      1766      930      919      1659      5274      1
    12      Armchair_Cyclist      2026      2027      278      873      5204      -2
          Collective_Wisdom      2397      1796      707      961      5861   

    In the Four Seasons, the average scores are
    Velorooms  6481  (Leadbelly, Otoxiep, Rote Laterne, Amis Velo, Search)
    CN  5746  (BitB, TRiley36, Bminchow, Comodoro, Del1962)
    (Mellow Velo not included, as he has contributed by both for different games)


    Thanks to all who entered the Vuelta game, or any of these; well done to Mellow Velo, to TRiley for the minor classification, and to Leadbelly for the consistency through the year.


    And thanks to CQRankings, without whom none of this would have been possible.

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