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Paris - Roubaix 2021
« on: September 28, 2021, 22:39 »
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This thread is the first that combines the women's Paris-Roubaix with the men's Paris-Roubaix. Appreciate the fact that, even though women's liberations has been sweeping across nations since before this writer was born (and I do feel old sometimes),  it has taken approximately exactly 125 years to come to this point.

So, then, get ready for:

Saturday
https://twitter.com/Paris_Roubaix/status/1442549605506355202

Sunday
https://twitter.com/Paris_Roubaix/status/1442521846176436227

More to come....
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #1 on: September 28, 2021, 22:56 »
    The startlist for the women's race, Saturday:

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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #2 on: September 28, 2021, 22:58 »
    And the startlist for the men's race, sunday:

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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #3 on: September 29, 2021, 07:58 »
    here is also ASO's press release about the course inspection:

    "Based on the latest inspection of the course, carried out on 28 September by Paris-Roubaix race director Thierry Gouvenou and race director of Paris-Roubaix Femmes, Franck Perque, the organisers have assigned a difficulty rating to each of the cobbled sectors of the race, assessed according to their length, the irregularity of the cobbles, the general condition of the section and its location. The sectors rated five stars remain the Trouée d'Arenberg, Mons-en-Pévèle and the Carrefour de l'Arbre.
     
    This year, the minor modifications concern the attack phase of the cobbles, with the Troisvilles sector retaining its entire length (2200 m). A little further on, the peloton will regroup at the hamlet of Buat sector (# 24), where the difficulty of the slope is added to that of the cobbles. In total, the cobbled kilometres for the men's race is exactly 55 kilometres.
     
    For their baptism of the cobbled roads, the female riders take on a more manageable 29,2 kilometres, with 17 sectors on the programme. The two courses converge with 85 kilometres to go, while the women will have started from Denain and ridden 33.9 kilometres. They will begin with the four-star 3,7 km long sector from Hornaing to Wandignies. For them too, the demanding route to the velodrome passes through the sectors of Mons-en-Pévèle and the Carrefour de l'Arbre!"


    The 30 cobbled sectors of Paris–Roubaix
     
    30 : Troisvilles to Inchy (km 96,3 – 2,2 km) ***
    29 : Viesly to Quiévy (km 102,8 – 1,8 km) ***
    28 : Quiévy to Saint-Python (km 105,4 – 3,7 km) ****
    27 : Saint-Python (km 110,1 - 1,5 km) **
    26 : Haussy to Saint-Martin-sur-Écaillon (km 116,6 - 0,8 km) **
    25 : Saint-Martin-sur-Ecaillon to Vertain (km 120,9 - 2,3 km) ***
    24 : Capelle to Ruesnes (km 127,3 - 1,7 km) ***
    23 : Artres to Quérénaing (km 136,3 - 1,3 km) **
    22 : Quérénaing to Maing (km 138,1 - 2,5 km) ***
    21 : Maing to Monchaux-sur-Ecaillon (km 141,2 - 1,6 km) ***
    20 : Haveluy to Wallers (km 154,2 - 2,5 km) ****
    19 : Trouée d'Arenberg (km 162,4 - 2,3 km) *****
    18 : Wallers to Hélesmes (km 168,4 - 1,6 km) ***
    17 : Hornaing to Wandignies (km 175,2 - 3,7 km) ****
    16 : Warlaing to Brillon (km 182,7 - 2,4 km) ***
    15 : Tilloy to Sars-et-Rosières (km 186,2 - 2,4 km) ****
    14 : Beuvry-la-Forêt to Orchies (km 192,5 - 1,4 km) ***
    13 : Orchies (km 197,5 - 1,7 km) ***
    12 : Auchy-lez-Orchies to Bersée (km 203,6 - 2,7 km) ****
    11 : Mons-en-Pévèle (km 209,1 - 3 km) *****
    10 : Mérignies to Avelin (km 215,1 - 0,7 km) **
    9 : Pont-Thibault to Ennevelin (km 218,5 - 1,4 km) ***
    8 : Templeuve - L'Epinette (km 223,9 - 0,2 km) *
    8 : Templeuve - Moulin-de-Vertain (km 224,4 - 0,5 km) **
    7 : Cysoing to Bourghelles (km 230,8 - 1,3 km) ***
    6 : Bourghelles to Wannehain (km 233,3 - 1,1 km) ***
    5 : Camphin-en-Pévèle (km 237,8 - 1,8 km) ****
    4 : Carrefour de l'Arbre (km 240,5 - 2,1 km) *****
    3 : Gruson (km 242,8 - 1,1 km) **
    2 : Willems to Hem (km 249,5 - 1,4 km) ***
    1 : Roubaix - Espace Charles Crupelandt (km 256,3 - 0,3 km) *
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #4 on: September 29, 2021, 13:18 »
    And the startlist for the men's race, sunday:

    Trek-Segafredo #trek ?

     UAE Team Emirates #uae ?

    Have they not announced their line-ups yet? :slow
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #5 on: September 29, 2021, 13:58 »
    After much contradictory info on my end from NBC Sports (including a link on their main page to the results of Stage 21 from the 2020 TdF  :S) it appears that, in the end...

    We have lift off!!!


    I will, in fact, have coverage from their Peacock streaming service!   :party
    (Although they do absolutely nothing to provide their subscribers with advanced notice of such.)

    More importantly: It's looks like rain is on the way. :win





    Time to go ol' skool!  :cool

    Lucien Lesna *fr 1902
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #6 on: September 30, 2021, 09:18 »
    Trek-Segafredo #trek ?

     UAE Team Emirates #uae ?

    Have they not announced their line-ups yet? :slow

    It happens in every race (for me anyway). The bottom few teams are cut off in the start list. Not everyone has the problem, it varies depending whether you are on desktop or mobile, font size, resolution etc.

    We've talked about it in the "Alternative to PCS" thread, but I think it requires First to change something at their end rather than us doing anything.
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2021, 12:45 »
    Just sayin'...  :P

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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2021, 15:24 »
    Well, that is why we have a DrummerBoy   :cool
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2021, 19:24 »
    This is probably a better question to ask (and answer hopefully) before the race is run, as the action (or lack of it - seems unlikely) on Sunday could over influence things, but does nobody else think the race should be held at this time of the year permanently?

    The weather is more likely to add to the entertainment at this time of the year and it gives the cobbles specialists a second major bite of the cherry if they are ill/injured/off-form in the spring. There already is a block of nice classics from Plouay through to Paris-Tour, but it just lacks a main event I think.

    Just some blue sky thinking.

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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #10 on: October 02, 2021, 14:40 »
    It is certainly nice to have a few big races at this end of the season.

    Gives a lot more riders something to keep going for - especially if it’s a hilly worlds there is sometimes just no reason to keep on.
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #11 on: October 02, 2021, 21:44 »
    This is probably a better question to ask (and answer hopefully) before the race is run, as the action (or lack of it - seems unlikely) on Sunday could over influence things, but does nobody else think the race should be held at this time of the year permanently?

    The weather is more likely to add to the entertainment at this time of the year and it gives the cobbles specialists a second major bite of the cherry if they are ill/injured/off-form in the spring. There already is a block of nice classics from Plouay through to Paris-Tour, but it just lacks a main event I think.

    Just some blue sky thinking.
    Burn the witch! :yuush


    I agree, having some big classics at the end of the season does make sense.
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #12 on: October 03, 2021, 02:14 »
    Saturday's race turned out to be quite fun to watch.  :)

    Damp roads meant mud...and slippy, slidey riders. The live broadcast only began with 50km remaining, but fortunately for us, the viewers, we were able to see the crucial breaks and separations. The podium finishers held their respective positions over quite a distance, but that didn't diminish the drama of the moment.

    https://twitter.com/Paris_Roubaix/status/1444332420858269698

    https://twitter.com/Paris_Roubaix/status/1444335825848868864

    In terms of promoting women's cycling, this is likely the most effective format: Featuring the women, on a classic's course, a day ahead of the men, helps to build intrigue and stir interest.

    The strongest rider of the day won, with the second and third strongest receiving their rightful due—which is how a race of this magnitude should play out. All-in-all, I think the event was a tremendous success, and now I'm even more excited to see Sunday's drama reveal itself. With more rain expected on the way, there's a decent chance of witnessing something historic.

    Here's hoping...

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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #13 on: October 03, 2021, 08:44 »
    Here's another version of the cobbles list posted by search above. Instead of showing the kilometers from the start, it shows the kms to the finish, which is much easier to deal with if you are watching TV as there is a countdown on the upper left of your screen.

    SecteurStart Distance to finishLocationlength stars ratingstartend
    30161.4 kmTroisvilles2.2 km ***96.3 km98.5 km
    29154.9 kmViesly3.0 km ***102.8 km105.8 km
    28152.3 kmQuiévy to Saint Python1.5 km ***105.4 km106.9 km
    27147.6 kmSaint-Python3.7 km ****110.1 km113.8 km
    26141.1 kmHaussy1.5 km ***116.6 km118.1 km
    25136.8 kmSain-Martin-sur-Ecaillon1.2 km **120.9 km122.1 km
    24127.3 kmCapelle1.7 km ***127.3 km129.0 km
    23136.3 kmArtres1.3 km **136.3 km137.6 km
    22119.6 kmQuérénaing1.6 km ***138.1 km139.7 km
    21116.5 kmMaing2.5 km ***141.2 km143.7 km
    20103.5 kmHaveluy2.5 km ****154.2 km156.7 km
    1995.3 kmTrouée d'Arenberg2.4 km *****162.4 km164.8 km
    1889.3 kmWallers1.6 km ***168.4 km170.0 km
    1782.5 kmHornaing3.7 km ****175.2 km178.9 km
    1675.0 kmWarlaing2.4 km ***182.7 km185.1 km
    1571.5 kmTilloy2.4 km ****186.2 km188.6 km
    1465.2 kmBeuvry-la-Forêt1.4 km ***192.5 km193.9 km
    1360.2 kmOrchies1.7 km ***197.5 km199.2 km
    1254.1 kmAuchy-les-Orchies2.7 km ****203.6 km206.3 km
    1148.6 kmMons-en-Pévèle3.0 km *****209.1 km212.1 km
    1042.6 kmMérignies0.7 km **215.1 km215.8 km
    939.2 kmPont-Thibault1.4 km ***218.5 km219.9 km
    833.8 kmTempleuve -  L'Épinette0.2 km *223.9 km224.1 km
    833.3 kmTempleuve -  Moulin-de-Vertain0.5 km **224.4 km224.9 km
    726.9 kmCysoing1.3 km ***230.8 km232.1 km
    624.4 kmBourghelles1.1 km ***233.3 km234.4 km
    519.9 kmChamphin-en-Pévèle1.8 km ****237.8 km239.6 km
    417.2 kmCarrefour de l'Arbre2.1 km *****240.5 km242.6 km
    314.9 kmGruson1.1 km **242.8 km243.9 km
    28.2 kmWillems1.4 km ***249.5 km250.9 km
    11.4 kmRoubaix0.3 km *256.3 km256.6 km
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #14 on: October 03, 2021, 09:53 »
    Hard to nominate a favorite for such a day when much depends on luck. The ability to handle mud better probably rests with the former cyclocross elite riders.

    However, it it had been a bit more "normal" conditions, #alpecin Jasper Phillipsen seems to have ticked all the boxes to qualify now, except not having top 10 results in earlier P-R races.  He has racked up 4 wins in the 4 most recent races, and must be near the best shape of his life so far. 

    With this I mean he has on
    Eschborn-Frankfurt (WT)
    Paris - Chauny (the start zone of the P-R  in Compiegne)
    GP Denain (the finish zone of the P-R  on the cobbles in the Portes-de-Hainaut)

    and

    Gylne Gutuer  :D (2018)

    This means he has cleared all the formalities required except multiple Paris-Roubzix starts. Jasper Disaster will win it, but maybe not this year.
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #15 on: October 03, 2021, 21:56 »
    Here's a quick recap of the 2021 Paris-Roubaix for Francois the Postman (and other cherished Veloroomies who missed the live chat), since family plans kept him from watching the race live with us.

    It was a decent affair, but all the same roads, and many of the same cobbled sections that you've become accustomed to over the years. Unfortunately, the sun did make an appearance late in the race, so we were robbed of perhaps a bit more drama that a downpour may have provided.

    Much to the chagrin of Bob Roll (and probably most viewers), everyone's least favorite rider in the peloton, Gianni Moscon, held is own on the front of the race for quite some time, and with 30 km remaining the race appeared to be his to lose. But fate [AG casting spells] would intervene and he'd eventually be overtaken by countryman Sonny Colbrelli. So it's not like a Dutch rider won, or anything. And besides, just think, you won't have to wait 18 months for the next edition of the race. In fact, in a little over six months, they'll be doing this all over again. So there's that.

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    And now for a quick recap for everyone else.

    Shhhhhhhh.... :shh

    OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!

    Was that not the greatest edition of this race in the past 20 years, and arguably one of the Top Ten best editions of Paris-Roubaix in its 125 year history?!?!?! 
    :o :cool :party :party :party :party  :P :D :lol  :win
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #16 on: October 03, 2021, 23:19 »
    I found a different camera angle of Sonny Colbrelli's post-race reaction.  :P



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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #17 on: October 04, 2021, 00:13 »
    Disappointing outcome of a great race to me ! Mathieu Van der Poel showed again that he was best man in the race before the 200k mark and then in great trouble. It's quite clear that he has a problem in dosing his energy. Already at the Tour of Flanders, he never should've lost to Asgreen (I think?). Here in this case, it stood clear that Colbrelli was the smartest, that he kept sucking his wheel, until the Carrefour de l'Arbre where he attacked. Mathieu had to fight to counter but managed it. On the Velodrome, I was quite sure that Mathieu wouldn't get it, while earlier this year I predicted he would win at least one classic.  :shh When Mathieu was still a full-time cyclocross/MTB rider, he was said to dislike road racing because he was too impatient to have the first attacks, he doesn't like staying in the peloton all day long. I think it's what happened this year. Cyclocross and MTB races differently than road.

    Seeing Bahrain winning my Paris-Roubaix is quite a blow for me. Not a nice picture ...

    I have mixed feelings about the modernisation of the Hem section. Some way it reduces the risks of puncture for riders but it's also ugly and easier. Even though they put blocks on the sides to keep the riders on the cobbles. But it's an uneventful section now. It can be dropped. By the way the barriers they put alongside the Arenberg Forest are so ugly !
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #18 on: October 04, 2021, 10:29 »
    Upon further reflection, perhaps there's almost too much to convey, more than I could ever possibly capture in one, or even a series of posts. What a day it was.

    However, what else do these three have in common?





    All three were racing Paris-Roubaix for the first time. That's crazy!  :o

    With all the excitement generated from this race, I'm not yet convinced that 22-year-old Florian Vermeersch  *be  #lotto is getting the praise he deserves for his unlikely 2nd place finish. Who saw that coming? To keep himself upright, and in contention against the greatest cyclists in the world, in arguably the most difficult race on the calendar, is nothing short of astonishing.
    https://twitter.com/Lotto_Soudal/status/1444701216634769414

    The legend of Paris-Roubaix was well represented in 2021.
    I'm not even sure who this is, but if a picture is worth 1,000 words...




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    The last man to make it within the time limit!

    https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1444906970998247425
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #19 on: October 04, 2021, 10:44 »
    Some more images from a remarkable day...





    https://twitter.com/justin_nadot/status/1444689298066919425

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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #21 on: October 04, 2021, 20:44 »
    Not sure if I managed to keep up with the route across the first cobbles this time, there were so many changes I thought. Turns out a lot was upside down (excellent little map presentation):

    https://twitter.com/gregariosdelujo/status/1444996820720136196
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #22 on: October 04, 2021, 21:03 »
    This thread also needs a complete list:

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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #23 on: October 04, 2021, 21:15 »
    T-72 likes to make race outcome prediction, but today I am putting fire to my own head, after keeping a steady lookout for what #lotto  Florian Vermeersch can do on the road all season long, including getting a correction from search ("I don't think he can climb at all") after picking him for a breakaway stage win candidate in the Vuelta: now I somehow skipped him for the Paris-Roubaix and went with Jasper Philipsen instead.... I blame "Disaster"  :angel

    Hard to nominate a favorite for such a day when much depends on luck. The ability to handle mud better probably rests with the former cyclocross elite riders.
       

    Some day last winter I discovered that this Vermeersch guy has a closet full of champion's jerseys from younger categories in cyclocross. He's a bit like van Aert without van der Poel.  I almost said it, even wrote it but didn't...

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    However, it it had been a bit more "normal" conditions, #alpecin Jasper Phillipsen seems to have ticked all the boxes to qualify now, except not having top 10 results in earlier P-R races. 

    This is now officially no longer a necessary condition for winning the Paris-Roubaix, and I am eating my hat for supper.  :-x
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #24 on: October 04, 2021, 21:19 »
    Oh, I forgot, #lotto Vermeersch like #fenix Jasper has a top 10 at Gylne Gutuer.   In 10 years time that will be the accepted requirement for getting a cobble to bring home from the Velodrome.  :cool

     :D :shh :D
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    Re: Paris - Roubaix 2021
    « Reply #25 on: October 05, 2021, 21:03 »
    There's a really nice photo gallery over at Steephill.
    http://www.steephill.tv/2021/paris-roubaix/photos/page-03/

    Just a few favorites:

    (I may have added one of these  :P)







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