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Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2022, 23:30 »
Stage 17
Rather similar to yesterday, with some of the same riders featuring.

Purple points


BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago      70      0
LEEMREIZE Gijs      40      1
HIRT Jan      25      0
CARTHY Hugh      15      18
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      10      7
HINDLEY Jai      7      7
VANSEVENANT Mauri      5      1
BOUWMAN Koen      3      0
MARTIN Guillaume      2      1
LANDA MEANA Mikel      1      27
.

Today
1      Scrooll07      55   Leemreize/Carthy
2      Josedin      26   Carthy/Carapaz/Landa
2      Search      26   
4      Comodoro      23   Carthy/Hindley/Landa
4      Manafana      23   
6      BluesInTheBottle      17   Carapaz/Hindley
7      Seventeen teams   16   Carthy/Landa

Standings
1      Josedin      549      0
2      Kazistuta      528      0
3      Leadbelly      518      0
4      Rote_Laterne      495      0
5      AmisVelo      473      0
6      Comodoro      461      1
7      EvansIsTheBest      449      -1
8      ZigzagWanderer      431      0
9      Northerner      412      0
10      BluesInTheBottle      395      0

Pink points
Simon Yates had rather fewer GC points than the teams that invested in him would have hoped for, but enough that his dropping out is probably the most impactful thing today.

LEEMREIZE Gijs      54      1
LANDA MEANA Mikel      51      27
CARTHY Hugh      39      18
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro      30      1
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      27      7
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello      25      1
POELS Wout      12      1
VANSEVENANT Mauri      11      1
CICCONE Giulio      -12      9
HAMILTON Lucas      -14      3
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves      -50      1
YATES Simon      -62      18
POZZOVIVO Domenico      -80      4

Today
1      Josedin      107
2      Titan31      92
3      Del1962      90
4      Yellow_Knight      89
5      Bonimenier      79
6      Bminchow      76
7      Rufs      64
8      Salvarani      51
9      EvansIsTheBest      43
10      Comodoro      39
10      Manafana      39
12      Search      37
13      Nyssinator      35
14      Otoxiep87      30
15      BluesInTheBottle      26
16      Mellow_Velo      24
17      Triley36      23
18      Scrooll07      19
18      Laarsland      19
20      Kazistuta      16
21      SlowClimber      12
22      DJSprtsch      4
23      Armchair_Cyclist      2
23      Vladimir      2
25      Berflamand      1
26      SafeBet      0
27      Rote_Laterne      -4
28      Will10      -5
29      RedheadDane      -7
30      Northerner      -9
31      Leadbelly      -16
31      AmisVelo      -16
33      ZigzagWanderer      -20
34      BicycleBoy      -54
35      ArchieBoy      -57
36      JumboVismaFan      -58
37      SamuCuenca      -85

Standings
Not much change at the top of the rankings, and with the leader being the top scorer today, that margin gets wider.
1      Josedin      1798      0
2      Search      1689      0
3      BluesInTheBottle      1588      0
4      Vladimir      1524      0
5      Rote_Laterne      1441      0
6      Northerner      1416      0
7      Leadbelly      1402      0
8      Comodoro      1371      1
9      Armchair_Cyclist      1340      -1
10      AmisVelo      1281      0
11      Rufs      1251      3
12      Titan31      1236      4
13      Manafana      1231      0
14      Berflamand      1218      -2
15      BicycleBoy      1217      -4
16      Kazistuta      1190      -1
17      Triley36      1133      0
18      EvansIsTheBest      1083      0
19      Del1962      1056      2
20      SafeBet      1037      -1
21      Mellow_Velo      1026      -1
22      Bminchow      988      1
23      Yellow_Knight      912      4
24      Salvarani      910      1
25      ZigzagWanderer      905      -3
26      SlowClimber      873      -2
27      Nyssinator      864      -1
28      Bonimenier      851      3
29      Otoxiep87      843      -1
30      Will10      803      -1
31      Laarsland      802      -1
32      Scrooll07      638      1
33      DJSprtsch      570      1
34      SamuCuenca      569      -2
35      ArchieBoy      507      0
36      JumboVismaFan      485      0
37      RedheadDane      199      0
      Collective_Wisdom      1009   

Tomorrow should be for the sprinters, and so not much pink point change should be expected.
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #31 on: May 26, 2022, 10:50 »
    Well my big gamble isn’t going to pay off.
    Is there a special award for picking the GC guy who catches Covid?
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #32 on: May 26, 2022, 19:48 »
    Well my big gamble isn’t going to pay off.
    Is there a special award for picking the GC guy who catches Covid?
    4 weeks immunity?
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #33 on: May 26, 2022, 21:08 »
    Stage 18
    The sprint stage that wasn't

    Purple points
    DE BONDT Dries      70      1
    AFFINI Edoardo      40      0
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      25      2
    GABBURO Davide      15      0
    DAINESE Alberto      10      1
    DEMARE Arnaud      7      1
    CIMOLAI Davide      5      3
    CAVENDISH Mark      3      0
    GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando      2      5
    CONSONNI Simone      1      0

    Just occasionally, random  is the way to go
    1      RedheadDane      70
    2      ArchieBoy      25
    2      JumboVismaFan      25
    4      SamuCuenca      10
    5      Josedin      7
    5      Comodoro      7
    7      Scrooll07      5
    7      DJSprtsch      5
    9      Search      2
    9      Kazistuta      2
    9      EvansIsTheBest      2
    9      Otoxiep87      2

    Standings
    Two points is enough to lift Search into the top ten.  Precious few other points here though.
    1      Josedin      556      0
    2      Kazistuta      530      0
    3      Leadbelly      518      0
    4      Rote_Laterne      495      0
    5      AmisVelo      473      0
    6      Comodoro      468      0
    7      EvansIsTheBest      451      0
    8      ZigzagWanderer      431      0
    9      Northerner      412      0
    10      Search      396      1

    Pink points
    Only one team loses out by Almeida's diagnosis (hard luck MV), but lots pick up points by moving into the void he leaves.
    DE BONDT Dries      77      1
    POZZOVIVO Domenico      30      4
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      25      2
    BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello      25      1
    NIBALI Vincenzo      25      3
    BUCHMANN Emanuel      25      5
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      16      7
    CARTHY Hugh      15      18
    DAINESE Alberto      10      1
    DE GENDT Thomas      -1      3
    LEEMREIZE Gijs      -2      1
    BAUHAUS Phil      -4      1
    ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves      -265      1

    1      Vladimir      75
    2      RedheadDane      73
    3      Berflamand      70
    4      Search      67
    5      Titan31      52
    6      SamuCuenca      50
    7      Rufs      48
    8      BicycleBoy      45
    9      Del1962      44
    10      Josedin      37
    11      JumboVismaFan      31
    12      EvansIsTheBest      30
    13      Rote_Laterne      29
    13      Northerner      29
    15      ArchieBoy      27
    16      Kazistuta      26
    16      Comodoro      26
    16      BluesInTheBottle      26
    19      Armchair_Cyclist      22
    20      Bminchow      21
    20      SafeBet      21
    22      Scrooll07      20
    22      Manafana      20
    22      Nyssinator      20
    25      Bonimenier      19
    26      Otoxiep87      18
    26      Laarsland      18
    28      SlowClimber      15
    29      Yellow_Knight      14
    30      DJSprtsch      13
    31      Will10      9
    32      Triley36      8
    32      Salvarani      8
    34      Leadbelly      6
    35      AmisVelo      2
    36      ZigzagWanderer      0
    37      Mellow_Velo      -250
          Collective_Wisdom      19

    Standings
    1      Josedin      1835      0
    2      Search      1756      0
    3      BluesInTheBottle      1614      0
    4      Vladimir      1599      0
    5      Rote_Laterne      1470      0
    6      Northerner      1445      0
    7      Leadbelly      1408      0
    8      Comodoro      1397      0
    9      Armchair_Cyclist      1362      0
    10      Rufs      1299      1
    11      Berflamand      1288      3
    11      Titan31      1288      1
    13      AmisVelo      1283      -3
    14      BicycleBoy      1262      1
    15      Manafana      1251      -2
    16      Kazistuta      1216      0
    17      Triley36      1141      0
    18      EvansIsTheBest      1113      0
    19      Del1962      1100      0
    20      SafeBet      1058      0
    21      Bminchow      1009      1
    22      Yellow_Knight      926      1
    23      Salvarani      918      1
    24      ZigzagWanderer      905      1
    25      SlowClimber      888      1
    26      Nyssinator      884      1
    27      Bonimenier      870      1
    28      Otoxiep87      861      1
    29      Laarsland      820      2
    30      Will10      812      0
    31      Mellow_Velo      776      -10
    32      Scrooll07      658      0
    33      SamuCuenca      619      1
    34      DJSprtsch      583      -1
    35      ArchieBoy      534      0
    36      JumboVismaFan      516      0
    37      RedheadDane      272      0
          Collective_Wisdom      1028   

    Three stages to go: which of them, if any, will cause any real change here?
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #34 on: May 27, 2022, 23:01 »
    Stage 19
    Showdown postponed, again

    Purple points
    Lots of people getting a small haul of points, not many getting more than that.
    BOUWMAN Koen      70      0
    SCHMID Mauro      40      1
    TONELLI Alessandro      25      1
    VALTER Attila      15      3
    VENDRAME Andrea      10      1
    BAYER Tobias      7      0
    MARTIN Guillaume      5      1
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      3      7
    HINDLEY Jai      2      7
    LANDA MEANA Mikel      1      27

    Today
    1      Yellow_Knight      41   
    2      Will10      26   
    3      RedheadDane      25   
    4      Nyssinator      16   
    4      Otoxiep87      16   
    6      BluesInTheBottle      5   
    6      SamuCuenca      5   
    8      Josedin      4   
    8      Search      4   
    8      Armchair_Cyclist      4   

    Technically, the top ten hasn't changed.  BitB gains one point on Search that would make him joint 10th, except for the tiebreaker rule that keeps him 11th.

    Pink points
    Arensman loses 20 minutes + and 6 places.  Might make more difference to managers here than it does to him...
    SCHMID Mauro      40      1
    VALTER Attila      26      3
    TONELLI Alessandro      25      1
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      21      7
    GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando      15      5
    MARTIN Guillaume      11      1
    VENDRAME Andrea      10      1
    SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro      -12      6
    CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander      -15      2
    ARENSMAN Thymen      -34      11

    1      Yellow_Knight      44
    2      Otoxiep87      41
    3      Nyssinator      34
    4      Armchair_Cyclist      30
    5      Will10      28
    6      Search      26
    6      Laarsland      26
    8      RedheadDane      24
    9      EvansIsTheBest      21
    9      BicycleBoy      21
    11      Kazistuta      17
    11      SamuCuenca      17
    13      Salvarani      14
    14      Leadbelly      12
    15      Rufs      11
    16      Bminchow      10
    16      Scrooll07      10
    18      JumboVismaFan      8
    19      Rote_Laterne      7
    20      Comodoro      6
    21      AmisVelo      5
    21      Del1962      5
    23      BluesInTheBottle      2
    24      DJSprtsch      -2
    25      Manafana      -3
    26      Triley36      -7
    27      Vladimir      -8
    28      Josedin      -12
    29      Titan31      -16
    30      ArchieBoy      -24
    31      SafeBet      -26
    31      Bonimenier      -26
    33      ZigzagWanderer      -30
    33      Berflamand      -30
    35      SlowClimber      -31
    35      Mellow_Velo      -31
    37      Northerner      -43
          Collective_Wisdom      -26

    Standings
    1      Josedin      1823      0
    2      Search      1782      0
    3      BluesInTheBottle      1616      0
    4      Vladimir      1591      0
    5      Rote_Laterne      1477      0
    6      Leadbelly      1420      1
    7      Comodoro      1403      1
    8      Northerner      1402      -2
    9      Armchair_Cyclist      1392      0
    10      Rufs      1310      0
    11      AmisVelo      1288      2
    12      BicycleBoy      1283      2
    13      Titan31      1272      -2
    14      Berflamand      1258      -3
    15      Manafana      1248      0
    16      Kazistuta      1233      0
    17      EvansIsTheBest      1134      1
    17      Triley36      1134      0
    19      Del1962      1105      0
    20      SafeBet      1032      0
    21      Bminchow      1019      0
    22      Yellow_Knight      970      0
    23      Salvarani      932      0
    24      Nyssinator      918      2
    25      Otoxiep87      902      3
    26      ZigzagWanderer      875      -2
    27      SlowClimber      857      -2
    28      Laarsland      846      1
    29      Bonimenier      844      -2
    30      Will10      840      0
    31      Mellow_Velo      745      0
    32      Scrooll07      668      0
    33      SamuCuenca      636      0
    34      DJSprtsch      581      0
    35      JumboVismaFan      524      1
    36      ArchieBoy      510      -1
    37      RedheadDane      296      0
          Collective_Wisdom      1002   


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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #35 on: May 28, 2022, 23:50 »
    Stage 20
    Change!!!!

    Purple points
    COVI Alessandro      70      0
    NOVAK Domen      40      0
    CICCONE Giulio      25      9
    PEDRERO LOPEZ Antonio      15      1
    ARENSMAN Thymen      10      11
    HINDLEY Jai      7      7
    LEEMREIZE Gijs      5      1
    CARTHY Hugh      3      18
    LANDA MEANA Mikel      2      27
    KÄMNA Lennard      1      12

    Today
    1      SafeBet      40   Ciccone/Arensman/Carthy/Landa
    2      Vladimir      35   Ciccone/Arensman
    2      Leadbelly      35   Ciccone/Hindley/Landa/Kamna
    4      AmisVelo      34   Ciccone/Hindley/Landa
    5      BluesInTheBottle      33   Ciccone/Hindley/Kamna
    5      Scrooll07      33   Ciccone/Leemreize/Carthy
    7      Kazistuta      31   Ciccone/Carthy/Landa/Kamna
    8      Rufs      30   Ciccone/Carthy/Landa
    8      Bminchow      30   Ciccone/Carthy/Landa
    10      ArchieBoy      25   Pedrero/Arensman

    Standings

    I wouldn't think the teams that could catch Josedin have the time trialists to do so.
    1      Josedin      575      0
    2      Kazistuta      562      0
    3      Leadbelly      556      0
    4      AmisVelo      510      1
    5      Rote_Laterne      508      -1
    6      Comodoro      483      0
    7      EvansIsTheBest      454      0
    8      ZigzagWanderer      444      0
    9      Northerner      434      0
    10      BluesInTheBottle      433      1

    Pink points
    Only one significant change in the GC rankings, which seems odd for a final mountain stage.  But it's been that sort of a Giro.  The one change there was, however, is the biggie.

    HINDLEY Jai      142      7
    CICCONE Giulio      27      9
    PEDRERO LOPEZ Antonio      17      1
    ARENSMAN Thymen      14      11
    LEEMREIZE Gijs      13      1
    KÄMNA Lennard      -8      12
    ROSA Diego      -10      2
    DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David      -15      1
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      -128      7

    Today
    1      AmisVelo      171
    2      Leadbelly      161
    3      Northerner      155
    4      Manafana      145
    5      Comodoro      144
    6      Rote_Laterne      136
    7      SafeBet      44
    8      Scrooll07      43
    9      Rufs      32
    10      BluesInTheBottle      30
    11      Bminchow      29
    12      Kazistuta      26
    13      ArchieBoy      25
    14      Titan31      17
    14      Berflamand      17
    16      Bonimenier      16
    17      SlowClimber      15
    17      Mellow_Velo      15
    19      ZigzagWanderer      4
    20      Yellow_Knight      3
    21      EvansIsTheBest      1
    21      Otoxiep87      1
    23      Nyssinator      0
    24      Del1962      -3
    25      DJSprtsch      -8
    25      Salvarani      -8
    27      SamuCuenca      -12
    28      Will10      -13
    29      RedheadDane      -17
    30      JumboVismaFan      -18
    31      Triley36      -19
    32      Vladimir      -85
    33      Josedin      -109
    34      Armchair_Cyclist      -126
    35      BicycleBoy      -128
    36      Search      -131
    37      Laarsland      -134

    Standings
    So, did the Carapaz teams at the top hold on?

    1      Josedin      1714      0
    2      Search      1651      0
    3      BluesInTheBottle      1646      0
    4      Rote_Laterne      1613      1
    5      Leadbelly      1581      1
    6      Northerner      1557      2
    7      Comodoro      1547      0
    8      Vladimir      1506      -4
    9      AmisVelo      1459      2
    10      Manafana      1393      5
    11      Rufs      1342      -1
    12      Titan31      1289      1
    13      Berflamand      1275      1
    14      Armchair_Cyclist      1266      -5
    15      Kazistuta      1259      1
    16      BicycleBoy      1155      -4
    17      EvansIsTheBest      1135      0
    18      Triley36      1115      -1
    19      Del1962      1102      0
    20      SafeBet      1076      0
    21      Bminchow      1048      0
    22      Yellow_Knight      973      0
    23      Salvarani      924      0
    24      Nyssinator      918      0
    25      Otoxiep87      903      0
    26      ZigzagWanderer      879      0
    27      SlowClimber      872      0
    28      Bonimenier      860      1
    29      Will10      827      1
    30      Mellow_Velo      760      1
    31      Laarsland      712      -3
    32      Scrooll07      711      0
    33      SamuCuenca      624      0
    34      DJSprtsch      573      0
    35      ArchieBoy      535      1
    36      JumboVismaFan      506      -1
    37      RedheadDane      279      0
          Collective_Wisdom      1011   
    Yes, they do.  Surprisingly, only Vladimir really seems to have suffered from Carapaz's fading in the last few km today.

    Any final twists have only 17 km in which to happen.
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #36 on: May 29, 2022, 17:45 »
    Stage 21

    The final time trial
    If you were looking for any major final upheaval, think again.

    Purplish points
    SOBRERO Matteo      70      0
    ARENSMAN Thymen      40      11
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      25      6
    MOLLEMA Bauke      15      0
    TULETT Ben      10      0
    SCHMID Mauro      7      1
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      5      2
    FOSS Tobias Svendsen      3      8
    HEPBURN Michael      2      2
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      1      7

    Today
    11 teams have Arensman: only one of them pairs him with Van der Poel.
    1      Berflamand      65
    2      ArchieBoy      45
    3      Josedin      43
    3      SafeBet      43
    3      SlowClimber      43
    3      Mellow_Velo      43
    7      Vladimir      41
    8      Northerner      40
    8      Titan31      40
    8      ZigzagWanderer      40
    8      Bonimenier      40

    Final standings
    No-one within reach of Josedin had a time trialist, while he was one of the top scorers today with Arensman (backed up by Hepburn and Carapaz), so a clear defence of the lead that he has had in this category since Aprica.

    1      Josedin      618      0
    2      Kazistuta      562      0
    3      Leadbelly      556      0
    4      AmisVelo      512      0
    5      Rote_Laterne      508      0
    6      ZigzagWanderer      484      2
    7      Comodoro      483      -1
    8      Northerner      474      1
    9      EvansIsTheBest      454      -2
    10      Rufs      445      1
    11      BluesInTheBottle      434      -1
    12      Yellow_Knight      425      3
    13      Bminchow      410      -1
    14      Search      407      -1
    15      Scrooll07      404      -1
    16      SafeBet      402      0
    17      ArchieBoy      373      8
    18      BicycleBoy      372      2
    19      Vladimir      370      5
    20      DJSprtsch      364      3
    21      Berflamand      361      11
    22      SlowClimber      360      6
    23      Will10      357      -5
    24      Manafana      357      -7
    25      Titan31      355      5
    26      Otoxiep87      352      -7
    27      JumboVismaFan      349      -5
    28      Triley36      346      -8
    29      Salvarani      345      -2
    30      Nyssinator      325      -4
    31      Armchair_Cyclist      318      -3
    32      Del1962      312      -1
    33      Bonimenier      282      0
    34      Mellow_Velo      233      2
    35      SamuCuenca      220      -1
    36      Laarsland      192      -1
    37      RedheadDane      167      0
          Collective_Wisdom      436   
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #37 on: May 29, 2022, 18:39 »
    Stage 21 Final Pink points update

    Other than the stage points, there were no changes in the Mountains or Points classifications, very little in GC (Carthy taking 9th from Lopez being the most significant), and not even a pink jersey bonus.  Less consequential than a mass sprint.
    ARENSMAN Thymen      40      11
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      25      6
    CARTHY Hugh      15      18
    SCHMID Mauro      7      1
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      5      2
    FOSS Tobias Svendsen      3      8
    HEPBURN Michael      2      2
    FELLINE Fabio      2      2
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      1      7
    SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro      -2      6
    POELS Wout      -2      1
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro      -15      1

    Today
    1      Berflamand      80
    2      Josedin      58
    2      SafeBet      58
    2      SlowClimber      58
    2      Mellow_Velo      58
    6      Titan31      55
    6      Bonimenier      55
    8      Yellow_Knight      47
    9      ArchieBoy      43
    9      Vladimir      43
    11      ZigzagWanderer      40
    11      Rufs      40
    13      Northerner      38
    14      BicycleBoy      26
    15      DJSprtsch      25
    15      Salvarani      25
    17      Otoxiep87      18
    18      Kazistuta      17
    19      Search      16
    20      Bminchow      15
    20      Scrooll07      15
    20      Nyssinator      15
    20      Del1962      15
    24      Comodoro      13
    24      Manafana      13
    26      JumboVismaFan      8
    27      SamuCuenca      3
    27      RedheadDane      3
    29      AmisVelo      2
    30      Will10      1
    30      Armchair_Cyclist      1
    30      Laarsland      1
    33      Leadbelly      0
    33      Rote_Laterne      0
    33      EvansIsTheBest      0
    36      BluesInTheBottle      -1
    37      Triley36      -17
          Collective_Wisdom      55

    The final reckoning
    Josedin has also led this main classification since Aprica, and with joint second on the day consolidates that victory.

    1      Josedin      1772      0
    2      Search      1667      0
    3      BluesInTheBottle      1645      0
    4      Rote_Laterne      1613      0
    5      Northerner      1595      1
    6      Leadbelly      1581      -1
    7      Comodoro      1560      0
    8      Vladimir      1549      0
    9      AmisVelo      1461      0
    10      Manafana      1406      0
    11      Rufs      1382      0
    12      Berflamand      1355      1
    13      Titan31      1344      -1
    14      Kazistuta      1276      1
    15      Armchair_Cyclist      1267      -1
    16      BicycleBoy      1181      0
    17      EvansIsTheBest      1135      0
    18      SafeBet      1134      2
    19      Del1962      1117      0
    20      Triley36      1098      -2
    21      Bminchow      1063      0
    22      Yellow_Knight      1020      0
    23      Salvarani      949      0
    24      Nyssinator      933      0
    25      SlowClimber      930      2
    26      Otoxiep87      921      -1
    27      ZigzagWanderer      919      -1
    28      Bonimenier      915      0
    29      Will10      828      0
    30      Mellow_Velo      818      0
    31      Scrooll07      726      1
    32      Laarsland      713      -1
    33      SamuCuenca      627      0
    34      DJSprtsch      598      0
    35      ArchieBoy      578      0
    36      JumboVismaFan      514      0
    37      RedheadDane      282      0
          Collective_Wisdom      1066   

    Enhorabuena to Josedin (I think he is one of our Spanish contingent)

    Congratulations also to Velorooms, whose members came 1st, 2nd, 4th and 6th, setting up a victory by 1237 to 1107

    I am not working tomorrow, so I will do a bit of numbers breakdown then.  If you can't wait that long to pour over your successes and failures, here is the spreadsheet

    Thanks to all who have joined in, to the riders, and to CQ and PCS for the results services.
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #38 on: May 30, 2022, 11:10 »
    Before the usual analysis, and inspired by Samu's question about a team based entirely on Israel PT riders, here are the team performances.  Only UAD were overbudget, and many used a very small proportion of what we were allowed.

    Team Cost Stage points Total
    1      Bora      1908      281      1209
    2      Bahrain      3311      284      1065
    3      Intermarche Wanty G      2717      339      810
    4      Ineos      3203      122      788
    5      Trek      2221      230      777
    6      Jumbo Visma      2170      320      628
    7      Alpecin      2558      343      509
    8      FdJ      1511      287      496
    9      UAD      4881      246      471
    10      Bike Exchange      1802      232      449
    11      Astana      2011      21      432
    12      DSM      2177      247      426
    13      QuickStep      2143      217      376
    14      Movistar      1935      79      326
    15      Ed First      1338      79      289
    16      Cofidis      2612      67      273
    17      Eolo      1378      32      242
    18      Lotto Soudal      981      153      231
    19      Bardiani      1177      90      225
    20      AGR Citroen      1060      23      187
    21      Israel PT      1565      38      143
    22      Drone Hopper      1199      8      99
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #39 on: May 30, 2022, 12:36 »
    Purple points top scorers
    Stage points only: stage winners or equivalents

    DEMARE Arnaud      272      1
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      180      6
    GIRMAY HAILU Biniam      160      4
    HINDLEY Jai      151      7
    BOUWMAN Koen      150      0
    YATES Simon      140      18
    CAVENDISH Mark      130      0
    GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando      122      5
    BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago      120      0
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      102      7
    DAINESE Alberto      97      1
    CICCONE Giulio      95      9
    HIRT Jan      95      0
    ARENSMAN Thymen      92      11
    KÄMNA Lennard      86      12
    SOBRERO Matteo      85      0
    LEEMREIZE Gijs      79      1
    MOLLEMA Bauke      78      0
    DE BONDT Dries      75      1
    COVI Alessandro      70      0
    DE GENDT Thomas      70      3
    OLDANI Stefano      70      0

    I've already put up the final stage points table, but here are the top ten with their top three contributors (and any other 70 point plus riders)

    1      Josedin      618   Demare/Carapaz/Arensman/De Gendt
    2      Kazistuta      562   Yates/Gaviria/Ciccone/Kamna
    3      Leadbelly      556   Hindley/Yates/Ciccone/Kamna
    4      AmisVelo      512   Hindley/Yates/Ciccone
    5      Rote_Laterne      508   Hindley/Yates/Kamna
    6      ZigzagWanderer      484   Girmay/Yates/Arensman
    7      Comodoro      483   Hindley/Yates/Gaviria
    8      Northerner      474   Hindley/Yates/Arensman
    9      EvansIsTheBest      454   Van der Poel/Ciccone/Ewan
    10      Rufs      445   Van der Poel/Ciccone/Ewan

    Part of the reason for doing the minor classification is to provide interest for those who are not going to be competitive in the Main Game.  Josedin rather undermines that by winning both, but Kazistuta, Zigzag and Evans were not in the top ten in that, and Leadbelly and Amis Velo both do considerably better here.

    And if anyone had wanted to target this classification alone, the best they could have done (I think) is
    DEMARE Arnaud
    GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
    HINDLEY Jai
    BOUWMAN Koen
    GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
    BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
    CICCONE Giulio
    LEEMREIZE Gijs
    on a spend of 3490, to score 1149 purple points (and an 'accidental' 2205 in the main game).
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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #40 on: May 30, 2022, 15:34 »
    Pink points

    When we include all the CQ points available (not only the GC or pink jersey bonuses: pink points are what I call our main classification), the top scoring riders are:
    HINDLEY Jai      676      7 teams
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio      587      7
    DEMARE Arnaud      357      1
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro      356      1
    LANDA MEANA Mikel      346      27
    HIRT Jan      311      0
    NIBALI Vincenzo      285      3
    BOUWMAN Koen      284      0
    BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello      273      1
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      264      6
    BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago      235      0
    BUCHMANN Emanuel      197      5
    CICCONE Giulio      189      9
    CARTHY Hugh      184      18
    POZZOVIVO Domenico      182      4
    GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando      177      5
    CAVENDISH Mark      170      0
    ARENSMAN Thymen      166      11
    KÄMNA Lennard      161      12
    GIRMAY HAILU Biniam      160      4
    YATES Simon      140      18
    VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro      134      0
    MOLLEMA Bauke      130      0
    LEEMREIZE Gijs      127      1
    DAINESE Alberto      122      1
    COVI Alessandro      116      0
    KELDERMAN Wilco      115      3
    HAMILTON Lucas      109      3
    MARTIN Guillaume      106      1
    SOBRERO Matteo      100      0

    Of course, an expensive pick who scores highish might not be a great pick, so Percentage return on investment
    HAMILTON Lucas   311   3
    DE GENDT Thomas   283   3
    NOVAK Domen   200   0
    HINDLEY Jai   186   7
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   185   1
    LEEMREIZE Gijs   125   1
    ARCAS PEÑA Jorge   114   0
    CHEREL Mikael   114   0
    BUCHMANN Emanuel   111   5
    BOUWMAN Koen   92   0
    HIRT Jan   88   0
    LANDA MEANA Mikel   88   27
    KÄMNA Lennard   88   12
    TONELLI Alessandro   85   1
    HEPBURN Michael   85   2
    NIBALI Vincenzo   83   3
    BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   75   0
    KLUGE Roger   75   0

    Of course, the logical conclusion to the idea of value is that a cheaper rider and spare points in the budget can be a wiser pick than spending to the limit.  But if you had chosen 7 favourite riders to a total cost of 1948, would you have had the courage to pick Hindley over Carapaz and send in a team that had only cost 2311 points?
    Impeccable picks are those who you could not have scored better than with a rider who cost more.
    HINDLEY Jai
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
    KÄMNA Lennard
    LEEMREIZE Gijs
    HAMILTON Lucas
    DE GENDT Thomas
    HEPBURN Michael


    As in the purple points classification, I won't repeat the whole table from yesterday, but the top ten with their 100+ scorers:
    1      Josedin      1772   Carapaz/Demare/Landa/Carthy/Arensman
    2      Search      1667   Carapaz/Landa/Carthy/Pozzovivo/Gaviria/Kamna
    3      BluesInTheBottle      1645   Hindley/Carapaz/Ciccone/Kamna
    4      Rote_Laterne      1613   Hindley/Landa/Buchman/Kamna/Yates
    5      Northerner      1595   Hindley/Landa/Buchman/Arensman/Yates
    6      Leadbelly      1581   Hindley/Landa/Ciccone/Kamna/Yates
    7      Comodoro      1560   Hindley/Landa/Carthy/Gaviria/Yates
    8      Vladimir      1549   Carapaz/Nibali/Buchmann/Ciccone/Arensman
    9      AmisVelo      1461   Hindley/Landa/Ciccone/Yates
    10      Manafana      1406   Hindley/Landa/Carthy/Yates

    Best possible team
    with all my usual qualifiers about this being based on a fairly limited numbers of tries, and that better combinations may be possible.
    HINDLEY Jai
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio
    LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
    LANDA MEANA Mikel
    HIRT Jan
    NIBALI Vincenzo
    BUCHMANN Emanuel
    LEEMREIZE Gijs
    at a cost of 3475 and earning 2885

    Josedin's double winning team
    CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio
    DEMARE Arnaud
    LANDA MEANA Mikel
    CARTHY Hugh
    ARENSMAN Thymen
    DE GENDT Thomas
    BALLERINI Davide
    HEPBURN Michael

    Only Ballerini can be said to have been a real flop here.  Hepburn was not the best cheap Aussie makeweight he could have afforded (that would have been Hamilton), but at least he finished and even picked up a couple of stage points at the death.  I will admit to having thought that this team will go nowhere when I saw a big spend on Demare in a field that included Ewan, Cavendish, Gaviria and Girmay, but it is good to see a brave unique pick be rewarded (and also demonstrates the sort of insight that earned me 15th place).
    If my Best Possible team is correct, this is 61.4% of what is possible: every time I do such a calculation the winner is in the low to mid sixties of what might have been done.

    Hall of shame
    Riders who were selected at a cost of 400 points or more, but who returned less than 10% of their cost, with the difference between their score and their price.
    ALEOTTI Giovanni      -391      1
    POELS Wout      -489      1
    LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel      -507      20
    DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David      -549      1
    BARDET Romain      -877      5
    ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves      -1578      1

    And finally, to give comfort to some, the Bad  luck table, sorted by number of non-finishers, then by the difference between what those non-finishers cost and the points they may have gained before withdrawal.
    Laarsland      5      1342
    ZigzagWanderer      4      2476
    Del1962      4      2121
    Rote_Laterne      4      2079
    AmisVelo      4      2079
    DJSprtsch      4      1554
    Triley36      3      2219
    Scrooll07      3      2219
    SlowClimber      3      1954
    JumboVismaFan      3      1954
    Northerner      3      1761
    Leadbelly      3      1761
    Bonimenier      3      1702
    EvansIsTheBest      3      1551
    Bminchow      3      1487
    Otoxiep87      3      1406
    Mellow_Velo      2      1896
    Manafana      2      1482
    Will10      2      1447
    Comodoro      2      1342
    SafeBet      2      1342
    Kazistuta      2      1254
    Nyssinator      2      1254
    ArchieBoy      2      1254
    Armchair_Cyclist      2      1153
    Yellow_Knight      2      926
    Rufs      2      737
    BluesInTheBottle      2      671
    Salvarani      1      877
    Titan31      1      721
    RedheadDane      1      549
    Berflamand      1      507
    Vladimir      1      419
    SamuCuenca      1      217
    Search      1      164
    Josedin      0      0
    BicycleBoy      0      0
    Collective_Wisdom      3      1761
    which perhaps makes Rote Laterne's 4th place more commendable.

    And even finalier, the standings after two rounds of the Four Seasons challenge (ie totals for those who contested both this and the Spring Classics game, Tour and Vuelta to follow).
    1      Josedin      2847
    2      Search      2769
    3      Leadbelly      2757
    4      AmisVelo      2661
    5      Comodoro      2653
    6      BluesInTheBottle      2588
    7      Rufs      2499
    8      Rote_Laterne      2496
    9      Kazistuta      2462
    10      Laarsland      2401
    11      EvansIsTheBest      2380
    12      Vladimir      2378
    13      Triley36      2305
    14      Otoxiep87      2296
    15      Armchair_Cyclist      2261
    16      SlowClimber      2228
    17      Berflamand      2128
    18      Del1962      2081
    19      Salvarani      2001
    20      Bminchow      1949
    21      JumboVismaFan      1755
    22      BicycleBoy      1702
    23      Mellow_Velo      1625
    24      Scrooll07      1623
    25      DJSprtsch      1320
    26      RedheadDane      752
          Collective_Wisdom      2268

    And remind me to tell you on around 23rd June that the Tour de France CQ Game should be 8 riders with a maximum budget of 4000 points as of 26th June, to be confirmed from a CQ update on the 27th, and that you'll need to submit teams by whatever time the first rider goes down the ramp in Copenhagen on 1st July.

    Now, Emerging riders games...
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    Leadbelly

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    Re: 2022 Giro CQ Game
    « Reply #41 on: May 30, 2022, 17:57 »
    All hail Josedin, Armchair and Velorooms! All hail!
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