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Ryder - Garmin - etc
« on: June 22, 2012, 00:21 »
Ryder Hesjedal to lead Garmin at TdF

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12181/Hesjedal-confirmed-as-leading-Garmin-Barracuda-in-Tour-team-lineup-announced.aspx

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The American team will be led by Giro d’Italia victor Ryder Hesjedal, who will attempt to pull off a Giro-Tour double... :o

Something that seems to have gone quietly unmentioned is that Vande Velde has had his best lead up to the Tour since 2008. He rode a very strong Giro, and, most importantly, came out of it unscathed.  :win

Whatever CVV might have left at this point in his career, at least he has given himself the best shot and riding the Tour well. He was quite confident of his abilities during the off-season to make the podium in Paris, and has always preferred to ride the Giro as prep. When the TdF course was announced I thought is suited him quite well. Good form, healthy, uninjured. We will see, we will see.

Dan Martin Tour debut should be interesting to watch as well.

Garmin Barracuda for the Tour de France:

Riders:
Tom Danielson
Tyler Farrar
Ryder Hesjedal
Robbie Hunter
Dan Martin
David Millar
Christian Vande Velde
Johan Vansummeren
David Zabriskie
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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 00:34 »
Yeah really hope vdv can give it one last push especially since he has never really had the chance to redisplay the strength he had in 08 due to injuries.
Despite the self-serving data benders and associated propaganda to the contrary, I am led to believe that there are pockets of organised, highly sophisticated dopers, even within 'new age' cycling teams. Personally, I don't accept that the 'dark era' has ended, it has just morphed into a new guise.

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 00:36 »
Yeah really hope vdv can give it one last push especially since he has never really had the chance to redisplay the strength he had in 08 due to injuries.
It really is a shame he needed to cut out so often due to injuries just when he looked as strong as ever  :( If he stays clear f injuries this year I think a top 10 placing at least need to be able for him

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 00:44 »
Hopefully they can all get through the first week unscathed and show the Wiggo Express how it's done!  8)

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 00:57 »
It really is a shame he needed to cut out so often due to injuries just when he looked as strong as ever  :( If he stays clear f injuries this year I think a top 10 placing at least need to be able for him

Nah mate he never had a hope. Didn't you listen to Lance? he is an unworthy rider.

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 01:02 »
What you suppose JV would do if they actually pulled off the double?



Just saw this:
https://twitter.com/ryder_hesjedal/status/215905498480910336
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Whoa! Leading Garmin-Barracuda at the Tour and representing Canada at the Olympics... I better get to bed! ‪#busysummer‬

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 01:07 »
Nah mate he never had a hope. Didn't you listen to Lance? he is an unworthy rider.
Come on don't bring that up. I really like hima s a rider, he just had terrible luck most of the time

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 01:09 »
What you suppose JV would do if they actually pulled off the double?



Just saw this:
https://twitter.com/ryder_hesjedal/status/215905498480910336

i think the hang over would last for weeks.....

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 01:13 »
i think the hang over would last for weeks.....
I would join JV in partying though  ;D

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 10:01 »
Garmin never really choose their leader until the second week of Le Tour, I think they could well end up riding for Danielson instead of Hesjedal.

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2012, 21:49 »
What if Ryder takes not only the Double but Gold in London as well?  :P

Americans from east to west would be scurrying to pull up Canada on Google maps search.  ;D

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2012, 08:42 »
Garmin never really choose their leader until the second week of Le Tour, I think they could well end up riding for Danielson instead of Hesjedal.

Agreed and the great thing is the team will have no issues riding for TD

TD, Ryder and CVV will let the road name the captain and them the other 2 will bust themselves getting the job done
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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2012, 14:04 »
Garmin-Sharp

Barracuda stays on but not naming rights  as the UCI only allows 2

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Sharp shares our passion and commitment to the best innovations in technology," said Jonathan Vaughters, CEO of Slipstream Sports. "We are incredibly excited to partner with them to together develop technologies that will help our riders do what they do every day, even better."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/garmin-sharp-replaces-garmin-barracuda-at-the-tour-de-france

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2012, 14:13 »
What if Ryder takes not only the Double but Gold in London as well?  :P

Americans from east to west would be scurrying to pull up Canada on Google maps search.  ;D

After the Giro win, a couple of the folks at V-Salon were quick to point out that Ryder wasn't Canadian, he is North American!

Hilarious and sad.

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2012, 16:48 »
I liked the sound of Garmin-Barracuda.
Garmin-Sharp just sounds dull to me!  :P

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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2012, 23:06 »
VN: Let’s look at the Tour itself, and the team you have announced. What are you trying to achieve there?

JV: As in past tours, we have a pretty diverse set of goals. I think we have a couple of riders that can definitely contend for the general classification. Tyler is I think in a role where he can be the joker in the field sprints. I don't foresee us riding like in past years, where we are pulling the field along for 120 kilometres. We are going to focus a little bit more on the GC race this year, so we probably won’t be doing that.

Then with Dan Martin, he is an interesting wild card for mountain stages. I don’t know that he is quite ready to ride for the overall just yet, but if he loses some time in the time trials and flat stages, it puts him into a good position to get into some breakaways and ride aggressively in the mountains. Certainly my hope would be that he can sneak in a stage win in one of the mountain stages.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12210/Jonathan-Vaughters-Interview-New-backer-July-targets-and-chasing-Giro-Tour-double.aspx#ixzz1yqTN6YcO
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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2012, 00:40 »
After the Giro win, a couple of the folks at V-Salon were quick to point out that Ryder wasn't Canadian, he is North American!
I wonder how they say "Tour de France" in Canadian?  :-


I liked the sound of Garmin-Barracuda.
Garmin-Sharp just sounds dull to me!  :P


I like the vague description they offer about the company:
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Sharp is a world-leading technology provider, offering a wide portfolio of business and lifestyle products in markets across the globe.
In the year Sharp celebrates 100 years of creating unique technologies and products that bring genuine benefit to society.
???

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2012, 00:54 »
TD, Ryder and CVV will let the road name the captain...

As I mentioned in the USADA thread, I do have to wonder if CVV would prefer to keep a low profile this year due to the investigation. He would seem to be in optimum form, but if he's going to be testifying, and admitting any past transgressions himself, it would be a shame for that to overshadow any glory he might achieve at the Tour, be it a stage win or a podium position. I imagine that he'll just keep his head down, his mouth shut, and stick to the task at hand, which would be consistent with his past behavior. Should he find himself in a team leader's position, it could make things a bit awkward for him. I get the sense that he is actually more comfortable as a strong support rider anyway. Then again, if he is running at a maximum confidence level, maybe he's prepared to face everything head on. It will be interesting to watch.

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2012, 02:49 »
From TDF Squad discussion thread:

Not sure where to stick this or can be arsed/presumptuous enough to start a new thread but I wrote a piece/diatribe on Garmin and their chances. Since there's actually very little Garmin-centric talk here I'd though it'd be a good starter for what people think their chances are like at the TDF. Without further ado:

Basically JV and Garmin-Barracuda’s focus and parading Ryder as number 1 is all a lot of this. As for “polemics” or “oh noes, who will be leader”, I think its a case of Occam's Razor. They are all capable of “leading” Garmin and will get the chance if it arises.

The way I see it Garmin have 4 cards to play, Hesjedal’s the King, TD and CVV are the Queen/Jack and Martin the Joker. This is fairly obvious and these bloke are some of their strongest GC contenders. The team unity is so high at Garmin right now, not to mention their morale, that I hardly see it a problem that anyone will be annoyed at having to play dom at expense of their ambitions. Plus all 9 riders are like a who’s who of Slipstream riders through the ages, you’d think they’d know how to get along.

Barring a miracle (which I think Garmin has cashed in already) they will realistically be aiming for a high GC place, not the win, which means a wide scope/target of anywhere from 5th to 20th. Any of the quartet can manage that so they’re likely to adopt a wait and see approach, fairly relaxed mindset and expectations coming into the start.

The deal with Ryder? Easy, he’s the king, he won the Giro he can win a GT so he deserves the limelight and why shouldn’t they bill him as bib #n1. G-B get the media exposure for their team and RH gets the adulation he deserves. Which then deflects the attention away from his team-mates which can only help them go “under the radar”. The Giro Effect will happen with him and you can’t predict that he will in top shape, even if the Giro was “Giro-lite” this year its still going to take it out on the riders doing the double. So even if he’s not their best chance, he can still be their leader and at least shield his team-mates and he’s a good enough rider that he can grind out a top20 if needed if the others falter.

CVV must be the rider in top form for Garmin atm. Very strong showing at the Giro and if you can believe the talk that was only form building up for the Tour. Will the Giro be too much riding like with Ryder, it is a possibility but he has to be the most likely favourite of the Garmins to finish high and I’d imagine Ryder wouldn’t even need to be asked to return the favour he gave him on the Stelvio.

Danielson, you really can’t discount and is the same sort of position as CVV, can easily be their best rider and place well, as he showed last year he’s their most recent form rider at the Tour and showed signs of promise at Suisse this season. These 3 were together last year and the other two had no problems riding for him then, I’d imagine that sentiment still stands.

Also you can’t discount Martin as the joker, if for no other reason that the “Slipstream Complex” which states that Slipstream have to place a new rider in the top 10 every year at the Tour (since 09). Although we’re yet to see if a top 20 in another GT nulls it. :D Regardless, Dan would have to be a plan ‘D’, only scenario likely I see Dan leading is that the 3 others falter/crash/abandon before the early TT and mountains and even though DM is allergic to TTs he comes out of it as best place Garmin rider. If not he’s still a useful domestique over the hills and mountains and good chance of a stage win.

So that’s my theory on it all anyway. :D

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2012, 03:44 »
As I mentioned in the USADA thread, I do have to wonder if CVV would prefer to keep a low profile this year due to the investigation. He would seem to be in optimum form, but if he's going to be testifying, and admitting any past transgressions himself, it would be a shame for that to overshadow any glory he might achieve at the Tour, be it a stage win or a podium position. I imagine that he'll just keep his head down, his mouth shut, and stick to the task at hand, which would be consistent with his past behavior. Should he find himself in a team leader's position, it could make things a bit awkward for him. I get the sense that he is actually more comfortable as a strong support rider anyway. Then again, if he is running at a maximum confidence level, maybe he's prepared to face everything head on. It will be interesting to watch.

Great chance for Vandevelde, excellent form, a tour built for his style, but.....I can see him sandbag this tour, as he is hot, as in a former? hot sauce partaker, with USPS and it would probably be better for cycling and the team, for him to sandbag.

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2012, 08:38 »
I remember having a Sharp financial calculator about 20 years ago. I guess that's them? Didn't know the company still existed...

Last year Garmin went in to the tour with Danielson, Hesjedal, and Vande Velde and didn't really say who they were riding for. I think Ryder probably had great form last year but was terribly hurt in the same crash that took out Wiggins. When Danielson emerged the leader, JV said that he was really the leader all along and they just didn't want to say so because they wanted to take the pressure off of him. That's plausible but JV also desperately likes to look smart.

I suspect Vande Velde has the best form this year. It's been ages since he's broken any bones! All three of their leaders plus Zabriskie rode for Bruyneel. I don't think that investigation can really be a big factor in their roster strategy.

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2012, 16:36 »
Interestingly enough, Ryder was an olympic mountain biker, then rode for Rabobank development team, USPS, Discovery at the height of the Lance Armstrong era, Phonak, Health net Maxxis.
Pretty good lead up teams towards a GT winner. Very nice tactics by Garmin for Ryder to win the GIRO.

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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2012, 11:53 »
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2012, 13:10 »
;D

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Watch the latest video on Cyclismas. Bridie tries to talk to JV about Garmin's Women's team and he had no idea what she was talking about.

Tunnel Vision JV.

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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2012, 13:35 »
imagine being in BARRACUDA's position, you've just hit the jackpot sponsoring a team that won the Giro, sitting pretty and rubbing hands together to see all the marketing exposure for BARRACUDA being attached to the garmin team.

but now when ryder hesjedal is interviewed about his Giro win, he'll say thanks to the garmin-SHARP team sponsors.

barracuda probably thinking what a bunch of backstabbers!
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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2012, 09:32 »
imagine being in BARRACUDA's position, you've just hit the jackpot sponsoring a team that won the Giro, sitting pretty and rubbing hands together to see all the marketing exposure for BARRACUDA being attached to the garmin team.

but now when ryder hesjedal is interviewed about his Giro win, he'll say thanks to the garmin-SHARP team sponsors.

barracuda probably thinking what a bunch of backstabbers!

I think Barracuda should be fine with it. I remember when their sponsorship was announced, they said they weren't paying for name sponsorship but were getting it as a courtesy pending a new name sponsor.

It's a boring kit but I think the red stripe will make them easy to spot.

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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2012, 22:38 »
Not a big fan of the red stripe, especially that particular shade of red. Gotta love this shot though.  :D


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Re: Ryder - Garmin - etc
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2012, 18:17 »
Just to recap, after the prologue we have...

15 Ryder Hesjedal 0:18

16 David Millar 0:18

30 Tyler Farrar 0:21

35 Christian Vande Velde 0:22

55  Dan Martin 0:24

91 Johan Vansummeren  0:30

69 David Zabriskie 0:26

100 Tom Danielson 0:31

106 Robbie Hunter  0:33

Fairly consistent. All within 15 seconds of each other.

 

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