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Cavendish will be annoyed that you seem to have ignored his score from last night
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Nathan Haas just tweeted that Haussler's new nickname is Buzz Aldrin

that is brilliant
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Dear fisherman, pianists, jokers and acrobats, please welcome the latest update to the Placegetter Sprinter's Stakes for 2012!

Four Giro stages and five ToC stages have occurred since the last update and in this time we have seen some intriguing changes. SAGAN has gone on a sprinting winning spree, surely eliminating himself from contention for this title. While he was a prolific winner earlier in the season, these were his first bunch sprint victories of the season. However, the question remains what we can expect from him in the Tour de France, where he will surely play maid of honour to CAVENDISH, who is yet to register a non-win podium. Amazing stuff. Second to SAGAN in all but one bunch sprint is HAUSSLER, who has launched himself into contention much like GOSS did in the Tour of Turkey. GOSS, who finally broke his drought with a win, still leads the tally. There is one Giro bunch sprint remaining, and most of the sprinters in contention for this title who started the Giro, have already bailed. We should expect KRISTOFF, who has shown good form this Giro, to collect another non-win.

I now present the three leaders of the competition in no order because that's for you to decide!

     FARRAR
- 5 podiums, zero wins
- Loses to everyone: All his podiums have been to different winners (except Kittel, twice)
- Can't win on his own: all he wins are TTTs
- Greatest podium diversity: Qatar, Oman, Tirreno, Schelderprijs, Giro


     HAUSSLER
- 4 wins, no podiums (HAHAHA JUST KIDDING ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND OF COURSE!!!!!!!!!!)
- Only second places
- Is being made fun of by his team
- Sagan's bitch


     GOSS
- 6 podiums, 1 win
- Cav crashed out of his only win
- Only second places
- Publically admitting frustration at his habit of coming second
- Podium blitz from only two races: Turkey, Giro


Other riders moving up: KRISTOFF 2, PETACCHI 3, HUTAROVICH 3, RENSHAW 4 (but 1 win)
Next races: Bayern-Rundfahrt, Ronde van België, Tour de Luxembourg, Critérium du Dauphiné, Philadelphia International Championship

Cycman: Sagan Greipel Brajkovic Breschel CA.Sorensen Porte Wegmann Sutton Zubeldia Fedrigo Lastras Roux Selig Morabito Dumoulin T.Meyer
CQ game-breakers: Boom Ciolek DeGendt Steegmans Bertagnolli Blythe Masciarelli Stetina Boeckmans Vaugrenard

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HUTA back in contention




And this ugly man

whose name sounds like

NAPOLITANO... HE JUST KEEPS GOING UP FOR SECONDS

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Farrar and Haussler starring in a cycling version of Face Off? :D

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The following sprinters were VERY lucky that this competition did not include Ster ZLM Tour because it's not HC or WT: Cavendish (2), Renshaw (3)

Might as well do an update for ya'll.........


Matthew Goose
1 win, 6 placings. Finally broke through for a win in the Giro d'Italia but only because Cav was out of it. Loves to be the second person to eat Turkey and has lost to Rabobank sprinters.
Should line up at the Tour!


Yauheni Whotarovich
0 wins, 5 placings. Losing to everyone: old and past-it Italians, Rabobank sprinters, Greipel and Cav. Even racked up two podiums in a 2.1 race, losing to Kreder! He's definitely right up there.
Should line up at the Tour!


Twoler Farrar
0 wins, 5 placings. If Farrar wasn't up there in this competition, you'd be sure 2012 would come true.  Spectacularly absent all year, yet still managing to stack up the podiums. Oman, Tirreno, Giro, Schelde... All the main sprinters have been in his way. But amazingly enough, he's also been unable to get past the likes of Geoffrey Soupe, JJ Haedo or Adam Blythe, not to mention his recent showing in Tour de Suisse behind Allan Davis and Lloyd Mondory.
Should line up at the Tour!

From these three shortlisted, who do you consider to be the ultimate placegetter sprinter for 2012 to be, so far?!  And why?!


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Waiting in the wings, looking for an opportunity to stand beneath Cavendish/Greipel/Sagan/Kittel at Le Tour*, are these formidable contestants:
* = these guys might not all be selected for the tour, they were on the cyclingfever shortlists...

At 4 placings...

Mark Renshaw

At 3 placings...

Kenny van Hummel

At 2 placings...

JJ Rojasf

And also:
Peter Sagan - 5 placings, 8 wins
Alessandro Petacchi - 3 placings, 3 wins
Andre Greipel - 2 placings, 9 wins
Mark Cavendish - 1 placing, 7 wins
BUT THEY SEEM TO LIKE WINNING TOO MUCH TO BE IN CONTENTION FOR THIS COMPETITION!
« Last Edit: June 26, 2012, 09:43 by bicing »

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Already thought you would enjoy Renshaw in the ZLM tour ;D.

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5 certain sprint stages, 3 maybe sprint stages of Le Tour:

Stage 2


Stage 4


Stage 5


Stage 6


Stage 13, maybe?


Stage 15, maybe?


Stage 18, maybe?


Stage 20

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TDF Table
*Riders I still think are big chances for the championship :win in motion


RiderPlacings (Wins)TDF results
Goss9 (1)3
Hutarovich5-
Farrar5-
Sagan6 (9)2
Renshaw4 (1)-
van Hummel3-
Petacchi4 (3)1
Rojas2 (1)-
Greipel4 (12)2 (3)
Oss1-
EBH2 (2)1
Gallopin1-
Freire1 (1)-
Poels1-
JJ Haedo21
Cavendish1 ( 7 )0 (1)
Dumoulin1-
Roelandts1-
Bozic1-
Cooke1-
Albasini1-
Kittel0 (4)-
Veelers11
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So tomorrow it starts for the placegetters. Picks for the stage?

Heres a shoe-in: Renshaw to finish 3rd.

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Farrar and Haussler are two, very talented headcases, that lose races for very different reason, sad. :'(

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The Tour de France is over...

The standings are as follows:

11 - Goss (1)
10 -
9 -
8 - Sagan (9)
7 -
6 -
5 - Swift (2), Hutarovich, Farrar,
(everyone else)


It's already clear who our 2012 biggest loser is!





But will it change towards the end of the year? Doubtful but lets see...

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Update on the Placegetter Sprinter for 2012

The leadersboard is as follows:

11 - Goss (1)
10 -
9 -
8 - Sagan (9)
7 -
6 - Swift (2),
5 - Haussler, Hutarovich, Farrar
...

ARE JOINED BY

It looks like it will be quite difficult for anyone to rival Goss in this competition.  But, we have the Vuelta coming up so we might see a surprise.

Vuelta field (name, placings, wins)
      BOUHANNI Nacer - 2 (1)      
        FERNANDEZ DE LARREA Koldo - 0
      VIVIANI Elia - 2
      VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco José - 0
      ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin - 2 (1)
     STEEGMANS Gert - 0
      DAVIS Allan - 3
        BENNATI Daniele - 2
      SWIFT Ben - 6 (2)
      DEGENKOLB John - 4 (2)

You never know with the Vuelta, it typically loves to throw the break a 5 minute win on many stages, but based on a quick look, the following races could end in bunch gallops: 2, 5, 7, 10, 13, 18, 19, 21.

It is mathematically possible for Davis, Swift and Degenkolb to match or beat Goss. For Davis and Degenkolb it means a placing in every single sprint stage, but for Swift he only needs to manage 5. For each competitor this is a tall order. Even still, Swift and Degenkolb have multiple wins this season and less spectacular podiums than our man Goss.

But that's just the Vuelta, our second favourite heroes could battle it out in other upcoming races in the coming weeks:
       Tour du Limousin
      Vattenfall
      USA Pro Cycling Challenge
       Tour od Denmark
     
Hope you enjoyed the latest update.

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Surely placings minus wins is a better way of measuring biggest loser?
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I love this - everyone loves the plucky underdog, but only the best losers are truly celebrated.

And I second Caruut's idea - podiums minus wins makes a lot of sense as a way to rank our sprinters.

PS - Swift and Sagan both won sprinter's jerseys in France/Poland. Surely this should count them out?
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I would disagree as Points jerseys generally indicate exactly the opposite - as it is those accumulations from placings in sprints which wins the Points jersey...

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I still think that a top rank event should disqualify you from the comp.
Also think that there should be a handicap system eg Farrar is supposed to be a tier 1 sprinter so so he should need 5 wins to be disqualified, like Cav and goss etc. Same for renshaw

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Thanks for everyone's feedback. I never saw the standings table as a concrete measure of who the biggest loser of the sprinters is, but a guide. It serves as a basis for discussion. Caruut's wins minus losses, and Martin's sprinter tier and handicap system, would be fantabolous additions to help determine who the biggest loser should be.

At the end of the season, I'd like to create a poll and see who the forum thinks is the biggest loser considering all the indices, stats, facts and subjectivities, etc. That will be the decider on who wins the 2012 title. Then I'd post the trophy to the rider. What do you think?

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Now anything can happen.

Farrar wins Stage 1 of USA PCC!

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #80 on: September 06, 2012, 16:05 »
I think Ben Swift deserves an honourable mention for taking a 6-man Sky train, focussing on him in the absence of Chris Froome's continuing GC challenge, forcing the pace so that Stannard was able to throw him towards the line in the best possible position, and converting it successfully into:

Second place.

Second.

His best chance to get a GT stage win and he messed it up, being pipped by Daniele Bennati on the line.

Ben not-so-Swift it would seem...  :tu

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2012, 14:28 »
With the Tour of Beijing and a couple of 1-day races left in WT/HC company, this competition is coming to a close!

the Vuelta narrowed the standings somewhat, as Ben Swift and Allan Davis made late plays at the title. Swift made it to Sagan, but was far from Goss. The Tour of Beijing had 3 sprint stages last year with a decent field, so some riders could still score some late podiums to threaten the competition.

Until now, it looks like the following riders will make up the end of season poll, which will determine the ultimate placegetter sprinter for 2012, aka the biggest loser!  I will set the official poll after Beijing.

Matthew Goss     -   11 placings 1 win


Ben Swift     -   8 placings 2 wins


Allan Davis     -   6 placings 0 wins


Daniele Bennati     -   5 placings 1 win


Mark Renshaw     -   5 placings 1 win


Heinrich Haussler     -   5 placings 0 win


Yauheni Hutarovich     -   5 placings 0 wins


Tyler Farrar     -   5 placings 2 wins

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2012, 15:08 »
OZ kicking ass coming 2nd or 3rd   :-[

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2012, 15:09 »
Matthew Goss still leading, but Swift swiftly (excuse the horrible pun) closing the gap. :P

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2012, 15:30 »
Awesome thread is awesome.
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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2012, 16:01 »
Speaking of velorooms awaRDS, I'll have to make an award for the winner of this competition.
Any ideas suggestions of how the trophy should look?

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2012, 16:13 »
Any ideas suggestions of how the trophy should look?

I would suggest the trophy should actually just be a trophy-base. Because the winner will have taken the trophy already  :P

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2012, 08:38 »
THE FINAL STRETCH

Fielding the Tour of Beijing:
HAUSSLER Heinrich
VIVIANI Elia
DAVIS Allan
BENNATI Daniele

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #88 on: October 07, 2012, 18:34 »
THE FINAL STRETCH

Fielding the Tour of Beijing:
HAUSSLER Heinrich
VIVIANI Elia
DAVIS Allan
BENNATI Daniele


I cannot wait for the outcome. But if you'd asked me at the beginning of this year to make a prediction, I would have gotten at least two of the names here. ;D

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Re: The placegetter sprinter for 2012 (aka sprinter's biggest loser)
« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2012, 00:01 »
I cannot wait for the outcome. But if you'd asked me at the beginning of this year to make a prediction, I would have gotten at least two of the names here. ;D
The names don't surprise me much either, but a few things did: I honestly thought Goss would have had more wins. He has less wins than Farrar!! I'd have never expected Hutarovitch nor Swift to be so high up there, and I'd never have expected Farrar to be so low (relatively speaking). And I'm pretty surprised about the first-or-nothing results of Cavendish and Kittel.

Since you brought it up, here were the predictions from the start of the season:

Jamsque - Renshaw and Farrar
Sublimit - Galimzyanov
JSG - Cavendish
Francois - Renshaw (although it was hard to tell with the long post)
Martin318s - Renshaw and Farrar
BYOP - Goss
Havetts - Farrar
Dinz - Renshaw
Mew - Farrar
42x16ss - Kittel
Mellow Velo - Goss and Renshaw
Taipei - Farrar
Thrawn - Goss and Farrar

That's 5 saying Renshaw... 6 saying Farrar... 3 for Goss... our forum's pretty smart!

PLEASE DON'T LET THAT INFLUENCE YOUR VOTING :)  :win

 

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