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Argos Shimano
Lotto Belisol
Francais de Jeux
Europcar
Saxo Tinkoff

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World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« on: August 02, 2012, 08:38 »
UCI Pro Tour 2012
AG2R La Mondiale
BMC Racing Team
Euskaltel-Euskadi
FDJ-Big Mat
Garmin-Sharp
Katusha Team
Lampre - ISD
Liquigas-Cannondale
Lotto Belisol Team
Movistar Team
Omega Pharma - QuickStep
Orica GreenEdge Cycling Team
Pro Team Astana
Rabobank Cycling Team
RadioShack-Nissan
Sky Procycling
Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank
Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team


UCI Professional Continental 2012
Accent Jobs - Willems Veranda's
Acqua & Sapone
Andalucia
Androni Giocattoli
Argos-Shimano
Bretagne - Schuller
Caja Rural
Champion System Pro Cycling Team
Cofidis Le Credit en Ligne
Colnago - CSF Inox
Colombia - Coldeportes
Farnese Vini - Selle Italia
Landbouwkrediet-Euphony
RusVelo
Saur - Sojasun
Spidertech powered by C10
Team Europcar
Team NetApp
Team Type 1 - Sanofi
Topsport Vlaanderen - Mercator
UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling Team

UCI Continental Men's 2012
An Post - Sean Kelly
Bissell Cycling
Bontrager-Livestrong
Burgos BH - Castilla y Leon
Chipotle-First Solar Development Team
Christina Watches - Onfone
Drapac Professional Cycling Team
Efapel - Glassdrive
Endura Racing
EPM - UNE
Genesys Wealth Advisers
Gios Deyser - Leon Kastro
Idemasport - Biowanze
Jamis - Sutter Home
Lokosphinx
Optum Pro Cycling p/b Kelly Benefit Strategies
Orbea Continental
Subway Cycling Team
Team Bonitas
Team Budget Forklifts
Team Exergy
Team Idea
Team Jayco-AIS
Wallonie Bruxelles - Credit Agricole
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So who moves up, down or disappears ?
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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 08:49 »
MTN Pro Continental 2013

Regarding the Continental, surely there'd be too many to list, no?

Off the top of my head, I can list Nippo, Rts, Terrengganu, Ukyo, Tabriz (in whatever form they be), Azad University Cross, Astana continental, Aisan, Shimano, Utsonomiya Blitzen, OCBC, Drapac, Genesys, and many more in the Asian tour alone.

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 09:01 »
MTN Pro Continental 2013

Regarding the Continental, surely there'd be too many to list, no?

Off the top of my head, I can list Nippo, Rts, Terrengganu, Ukyo, Tabriz (in whatever form they be), Azad University Cross, Astana continental, Aisan, Shimano, Utsonomiya Blitzen, OCBC, Drapac, Genesys, and many more in the Asian tour alone.

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Continental mens 2012
GVA    GEOFCO - VILLE D'ALGER    ALG
GSP    GROUPEMENT SPORTIF PETROLIER ALGERIE    ALG
OTA    OLYMPIQUE TEAM ALGERIE    ALG
VCS    VELO CLUB SOVAC ALGERIE    ALG
SLS    SAN LUIS SOMOS TODOS    ARG
DPC    DRAPAC CYCLING    AUS
GEN    GENESYS WEALTH ADVISERS    AUS
BFL    TEAM BUDGET FORKLIFTS    AUS
JAI    TEAM JAYCO - AIS    AUS
KTM    ARBÖ GEBRÜDER WEISS - OBERNDORFER    AUT
RAD    RC ARBÖ WELS GOURMETFEIN    AUT
VBG    TEAM VORARLBERG    AUT
TIR    TIROL CYCLING TEAM    AUT
WSA    WSA - VIPERBIKE    AUT
SKT    AN POST - SEAN KELLY    BEL
BKP    BKCP - POWERPLUS    BEL
BSL    BOFROST - STERIA    BEL
CMD    COLBA - SUPERANO HAM    BEL
FWB    IDEMASPORT - BIOWANZE    BEL
SUN    SUNWEB - REVOR    BEL
PCW    T.PALM - PÔLE CONTINENTAL WALLON    BEL
FID    TELENET - FIDEA    BEL
WBC    WALLONIE BRUXELLES - CREDIT AGRICOLE    BEL
DAT    CLUBE DATARO DE CICLISMO    BRA
FUN    FUNVIC - PINDAMONHANGABA    BRA
RCT    REAL CYCLING TEAM    BRA
CCN    CCN CYCLING TEAM    BRU
EKG    EKOI.COM - GASPESIEN    CAN
SLY    CHINA 361° CYCLING TEAM    CHN
JLC    CHINA JILUN CYCLING TEAM    CHN
GTC    GAN SU SPORTS LOTTERY    CHN
HEN    HENGXIANG CYCLING TEAM    CHN
HBR    HOLY BROTHER CYCLING TEAM    CHN
MCT    MALAK CYCLING TEAM    CHN
MSS    MAX SUCCESS SPORTS    CHN
TYD    QINGHAI TIANYOUDE CYCLING TEAM    CHN
COD    COLOMBIA - COMCEL    COL
EPM    EPM - UNE    COL
GOB    GOBERNACION DE ANTIOQUIA - INDEPORTES ANTIOQUIA    COL
MOT    MOVISTAR TEAM    COL
LOB    LOBORIKA FAVORIT TEAM **    CRO
MKT    MERIDIANA KAMEN TEAM **    CRO
ASP    AC SPARTA PRAHA    CZE
ADP    ASC DUKLA PRAHA    CZE
WHI    WHIRLPOOL - AUTHOR    CZE
BWC    BLUE WATER CYCLING    DEN
CWO    CHRISTINA WATCHES - ONFONE    DEN
DKK    DESIGNA KOKKEN - KNUDSGAARD    DEN
GLU    GLUD & MARSTRAND - LRO    DEN
JJS    J.JENSEN - SANDSTOD SALG OG EVENT    DEN
VPC    TEAM CONCORDIA FORSIKRING - HIMMERLAND    DEN
TTF    TEAM TRE - FOR    DEN
BUR    BURGOS BH - CASTILLA Y LEON    ESP
ORB    ORBEA CONTINENTAL    ESP
MPC    MARCO POLO CYCLING DONCKERS KOFFIE    ETH
AUB    AUBER 93    FRA
LPM    LA POMME MARSEILLE    FRA
RLM    ROUBAIX LILLE METROPOLE    FRA
VRU    VERANDA RIDEAU - SUPER U    FRA
EDR    ENDURA RACING    GBR
NGR    NODE 4 - GIORDANA RACING    GBR
RCS    RAPHA CONDOR    GBR
IGS    TEAM IG - SIGMA SPORT    GBR
RAL    TEAM RALEIGH - GAC    GBR
UKY    UK YOUTH CYCLING    GBR
LKT    LKT TEAM BRANDENBURG    GER
TSP    NUTRIXXION ABUS    GER
TTR    RAIKO STÖLTING    GER
TRS    TEAM EDDY MERCKX - INDELAND    GER
THF    TEAM HEIZOMAT    GER
NSP    TEAM NSP - GHOST    GER
SCS    TEAM SPECIALIZED CONCEPT STORE    GER
TET    THÜRINGER ENERGIE TEAM    GER
TKT    GIOS - DEYSER LEON KASTRO    GRE
SPT    SP TABLEWARE CYCLING TEAM    GRE
AZC    AZAD UNIVERSITY CROSS TEAM    IRI
MES    MES KERMAN    IRI
TPT    TABRIZ PETROCHEMICAL TEAM    IRI
MIE    MICHE - GUERCIOTTI *    ITA
IDE    TEAM IDEA    ITA
WIT    TEAM WIT *    ITA
AIS    AISAN RACING TEAM    JPN
BGT    BRIDGESTONE ANCHOR    JPN
CSZ    CANNONDALE SPACEZEROPOINT    JPN
MTR    MATRIX POWERTAG    JPN
SMN    SHIMANO RACING TEAM    JPN
PPO    TEAM NIPPO    JPN
UKO    TEAM UKYO    JPN
BLZ    UTSUNOMIYA BLITZEN    JPN
AS2    CONTINENTAL TEAM ASTANA    KAZ
GGC    GEUMSAN GINSENG CELLO    KOR
KSP    KSPO    KOR
SCT    SEOUL CYCLING TEAM    KOR
ALB    ALPHA BALTIC - UNITYMARATHONS.COM    LAT
RBD    RIETUMU - DELFIN    LAT
LET    LEOPARD - TREK CONTINENTAL TEAM    LUX
CCD    TEAM DIFFERDANGE - MAGIC-SPORTFOOD.DE    LUX
TSG    TERENGGANU CYCLING TEAM    MAS
RIJ    CYCLINGTEAM DE RIJKE - SHANKS    NED
CJP    CYCLINGTEAM JO PIELS    NED
KOG    KOGA CYCLING TEAM    NED
MET    METEC CONTINENTAL CYCLINGTEAM    NED
RB3    RABOBANK CONTINENTAL TEAM    NED
AUC    ARGON 18 - UNAAS CYCLING    NOR
FRT    FROY - TREK    NOR
TJM    JOKER MERIDA    NOR
OCM    ONECO - MESTERHUS CYCLING TEAM    NOR
PBC    PLUSSBANK - BMC    NOR
KRA    RINGERIKS - KRAFT LOOK    NOR
OHR    TEAM OSTER HUS - RIDLEY    NOR
SUB    SUBWAY CYCLING TEAM    NZL
STF    START CYCLING TEAM - ATACAMA FLOWERY DESERT    PAR
BGZ    BANK BGZ    POL
BDC    BDC - MARCPOL TEAM    POL
CCC    CCC POLSAT POLKOWICE    POL
WIB    WIBATECH - LMGK ZIEMIA BRZESKA    POL
PRT    CARMIM - PRIO    POR
EFG    EFAPEL - GLASSDRIVE    POR
LAR    LA ALUMINIOS - ANTARTE    POR
BOA    ONDA    POR
TCT    TUSNAD CYCLING TEAM    ROU
MTN    MTN QHUBEKA    RSA
BNT    TEAM BONITAS    RSA
TIK    ITERA - KATUSHA    RUS
LOK    LOKOSPHINX    RUS
TSI    OCBC SINGAPORE CONTINENTAL CYCLING TEAM    SIN
ADR    ADRIA MOBIL    SLO
RAR    RADENSKA    SLO
SAK    SAVA    SLO
ARH    ATLAS PERSONAL - JAKROO    SUI
DUK    DUKLA TRENCIN TREK    SVK
TCC    TEAM CYKELCITY.SE    SWE
ACT    ACTION CYCLING TEAM    TPE
RTS    RTS RACING TEAM    TPE
TSM    TEAM SENTER - MERIDA    TPE
KTS    KONYA TORKU SEKER SPOR    TUR
SLC    SALCANO - ARNAVUTKOY    TUR
AMO    AMORE & VITA    UKR
ISD    ISD - LAMPRE CONTINENTAL    UKR
KLS    KOLSS CYCLING TEAM    UKR
BPC    BISSELL CYCLING    USA
BHD    BMC - HINCAPIE SPORTSWEAR DEVELOPMENT TEAM    USA
BLS    BONTRAGER LIVESTRONG TEAM    USA
CDT    CHIPOTLE - FIRST SOLAR DEVELOPMENT TEAM    USA
RCC    COMPETITIVE CYCLIST RACING TEAM    USA
JSH    JAMIS - SUTTER HOME    USA
JBC    JELLY BELLY CYCLING    USA
KPC    KENDA - 5-HOUR ENERGY CYCLING TEAM    USA
XRG    TEAM EXERGY    USA
OPT    TEAM OPTUM PRESENTED BY KELLY BENEFIT STRATEGIES    USA
TMK    TEAM SMARTSTOP - MOUNTAIN KHAKIS    USA
WPC    WONDERFUL PISTACHIOS CYCLING    USA
UST    UZBEKISTAN SUREN TEAM    UZB

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 09:10 »
UCI Pro Tour 2012 
AG2R La Mondiale
BMC Racing Team
Euskaltel-Euskadi
FDJ-Big Mat
Garmin-Sharp
Katusha Team
Lampre - ISD
Liquigas-Cannondale
Lotto Belisol Team
Movistar Team
Omega Pharma - QuickStep
Orica GreenEdge Cycling Team
Pro Team Astana
Rabobank Cycling Team
RadioShack-Nissan
Sky Procycling
Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank
Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team

So AG2R drop down RaNT disappears

and Confidis and Europcar come up with Argos in the running but missing out imo

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 09:41 »
IAM will be a new team pro conti swiss outfit -

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Team-IAM-Cycling/226140400835474?sk=info

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IAM Cycling Team Cycling Cycling Team IAM (investment funds) is a Swiss cycling team founded in Geneva in 2012. Founded by Michel Thétaz and directed by Serge Beucherie, IAM Cycling posssède status Pro Continental team. The team is sponsored by IAM Independent Asset Management Ltd and was renamed IAM Cycling. The creation of the Pro Continental team is announced on 25



April 2012 during a press conference on the Tour de Romandie. It was on this occasion that Thétaz Michel, CEO of IAM Independent Asset Management SA and General Manager of AMI Cycling SA, along with Serge Beucherie, Director of the main sports team, present the details of the only Pro Continental team high Swiss identity. Sponsor and funding with a budget of about 6 million, IAM Independent Asset Management Ltd is committed as a single sponsor for a minimum of 3 years. IAM Cycling 4 Team Managers will mentor the team of 20 professional riders whose half the workforce will be Swiss. The main objective of this team is to be invited, in 2013, in races like the Tour de Romandie and the Tour of Switzerland

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 11:01 »
The interesting one is when or whether PBR restart their plans to be in the Continentals. THe RWC last year fliped them up sponsorship wise, and completely understandable given the stature of that tournament there. So, will they want to come back at the first chance or will  they look to keep costs low? And if they're not in the Continental list, how will they hold on to any of the Crosby likes.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 11:04 »
NZ really need a team to help with the next step before the big one, hopefully they stick around hit the US hard again like 2010

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2012, 11:13 »
UCI Pro Tour 2012 
AG2R La Mondiale
BMC Racing Team
Euskaltel-Euskadi
FDJ-Big Mat
Garmin-Sharp
Katusha Team
Lampre - ISD
Liquigas-Cannondale
Lotto Belisol Team
Movistar Team
Omega Pharma - QuickStep
Orica GreenEdge Cycling Team
Pro Team Astana
Rabobank Cycling Team
RadioShack-Nissan
Sky Procycling
Team Saxo Bank - Tinkoff Bank
Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team

So AG2R drop down RaNT disappears

and Confidis and Europcar come up with Argos in the running but missing out imo

This is how I see the WT in 2013 too. I know there are lots of criteria that apply, but on pure personal subjectivity...

Cofidis has made noises about injecting more cash.

Europcar has to be a shoo-in if it wants it. I could see how the team managers might not be so bothered - they get invites to all of the races at which they traditionally excel, while they would be no longer able to compete in some of their local favourites - but it's a big sponsor that's going to want more coverage.

Argos has not done enough to warrant a bigger slice of the pie, in my opinion. It's the team's first season, true, but the majority of it was the same as Skil-Shimano and but for Kittel and a sprinkling of Degenkolb, there's not much else to see here.

I don't see how RadioShack's bosses can justify staying in the WT, unless it's 100% about cash, in which case we have seen plenty of evidence that all is not well there either. This week, Team Becca has lost a sponsor and is now scrambling to bring in new sponsors. With Andrew and Fuglschlang gone, Monfort probably wide open to offers after a decent Tour spent mostly ignoring his dom duties, Paulinho ditto on offers, Franklin and Bruyneel on the ropes and Cancellara facing another season of riding effectively alone in the Classics, there is no WT justification beyond the usual Cranky's Retirement Home ship of fools led by Kloeden, Horner and (ancient) friends. So unless Rast and Zaugg can sweep the remaining Classics, it's goodnight Luxembourg and, for some of us, good riddance.
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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 20:57 »
Europcar should be able to go PT. I do think they will need some reinforcements for that step though, I can hardly see them bring a competitive team to all three GT's right now. Especially because it is unlikely one of Voeckler or Rolland will want to go to the Giro. Perhaps Kern, but I don't think so.

However, looking through their squads, the same basically goes for both Argos and Cofidis.. And AG2R and FDJ of course. So it will likely go to the team that gets the largest cash-boost over the next few weeks.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2012, 13:04 »
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56724

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On Thursday November 1 is the deadline for the International Cycling Union (UCI) to formalize the ranking of Sporting Merit and knows that teams get an automatic berth to the 2013 WorldTour. Argos-Shimano and Saxo Bank-Bank Tinkoff are the two sets that are played in a place in the elite since AG2R-La Mondiale and Euskaltel-Euskadi, with its signings, should be in the top 15 and will therefore in the First Division in 2013.

As can know BiciCiclismo , the classification is as follows: 14 º AG2R-La Mondiale, Euskaltel-Euskadi 15th, 16th Argos-Shimano, Lotto-Belisol 17 º, 18 º FDJ-BigMat and 19th Tinkoff Saxo Bank-Bank. The WorldTour will again be 18 so one is left out.

Three notes to consider: The first 15 have secured a place and Lotto, passed the bureaucratic process that left him out in the initial list, and FDJ have current license, which is a priority and an advantage even with Saxo Bank Alberto Contador points-they do not have to come from a penalty, just like Alejandro Valverde would rise no more positions, and is in the air the new situation of the structure of Rabobank, which like AG2r, Euskaltel- Euskadi, Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank, Argos-Shimano and Garmin-Sharp apply for the license or renewal, though it seems that the UCI has no intention of leaving out the Dutch after the departure of Dutch bank sponsorship.

Contracts already in Lausanne since last Friday and the UCI and can calculate the points for each team with the signings he has done. BiciCiclismo can say that, except surprise, the Euskaltel-Euskadi has achieved its purpose for 15th place, while that AG2R-La Mondiale is 14 º. The WorldTour license is yours, as corresponds to the 15 finishers, although both should go to the Licensing Commission since its license expires in 2012.

Basque and French have conducted an aggressive recruitment policy with the utmost discretion and made possible. Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano has invested heavily with the addition of nine foreigners, Juanjo Lobato (Andalucia), Steffen Radochla (NSP-Ghost), André Schulze (NetApp), Alexander Serebryakov (Team Type 1), Robert Vrecer (Vorarlberg), Jure Kocjan (Team Type 1), Ricardo Mestre (Carmin-Prio), and Ioannis Tamouridis Chaoufi Tarik (SP Tableware). These last two, especially the Moroccan number one in Africa, have given the ticket to oranges. Because Ag2r kept a letter was not known until the last minute, Valentin Iglinskiy (Astana), and Kazakh points surpassed by the minimum to all Galdeano.

In addition, Vincent Lavenu has chosen points and quality, with Steve Chainel (FDJ-BigMat), Yauheni Hutarovich (FDJ - Big Mat), Davide Appollonio (Sky), Samuel Dumoulin (Cofidis), Carlos Betancur (Acqua & Sapone), Domenico Pozzovivo (Colnago CSF), Julian Kern (Leopard Trek) and Gediminas Bagdonas (An Post-Sean Kelly). The economic stakes of Euskaltel-Euskadi, however, has been to keep their leaders and talents from home, as Samuel Sanchez, Igor Anton, Mikel Nieve, brothers and Gorka Ion Izagirre or Mikel Landa.

By contrast, Lotto-Belisol, which has not even made any transfer, at least officially-and-BigMat FDJ have not entered this war because they have valid license for 2013. In the same situation the Lampre found that, in any case did not want to have problems after his poor 2012 and has secured a place in the top 15 with the signings of Americans Maximilian Richeze (Team Nippo) and Miguel Ubeto (Androni -Giocattoli), second and third respectively in the UCI Ranking America 2012 and Ubeto first in 2011, along with Elia Favilli (Farnese Vini-), Filippo Pozzato (Farnese Vini), Andrea Palini (Team Idea), Jose Serpa or Roberto Ferrari (Androni-Giocattoli).

So the final spot on the WorldTour must be between the Argos-Shimano and Tinkoff Saxo Bank-Bank of Riis and Contador. The commitment of the Dutch has been Reinardt Janse Van Rensburg (MTN) late Friday and recruited several corridors, William Clarke (Champion System), François Parisien (Spidertech), Georg Preidler (Team Type 1) or Thomas Peterson (Garmin- Sharp), and has not given up his philosophy of signing young talent to develop, Nikias Arndt (LKT), Warren Barguil (neo), Luka Mezgec (Sava) and Jonas Ahlstrand (stagiare).

That 16th place and the point spread with Saxo Bank, 19 °, becomes fundamental. The sporting criterion is priority points above the ethical, administrative and economic and normally ranked 16th, 17th and 18th will be chosen, unless the differences are minimal points but neither is the case. Also is sponsor Shimano UCI and the team was invited to the Tour of Beijing, organized by the international body which finally did not run by the political crisis between China and Japan.

The Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank has also made a great effort, knowing that was virtually impossible to qualify in the top 15 because of its lack of results as counter points do not count. Still, Riis-like Ag2r-economic injection with entry points and has signed Tinkoff quality: Rory Sutherland (UnitedHealthcare), number one in Latin, Roman Kreuziger (Astana), Matti Breschel (Rabobank), Nicolas Roche (AG2R La Mondiale), Marko Kump (Adria Mobil), Daniele Bennati (RadioShack), Oliver Zaugg (RadioShack-Nissan) and Jay McCarthy (Team Jayco-AIS).

The final decision of who stays outside the WorldTour and must access the invitations will not be known until mid-November, the deadline is 20 - once the Licensing Commission receives the teams ranked between 16th and 20th place Ranking of Sporting Merit and who want to have the license.

Having to be on the lookout for the wild-card is a clear economic loss-to pay for running and do not receive a fixed WorldTour organizations being athletically-and you can not keep a calendar and programs organized for the staff closed . And races like the Giro require the presence of its star or leaders, if Contador of Saxo Bank. If the Danish team finally runs out, the game of invitations will be complicated especially for the three Grand Tours give only four.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2012, 13:08 »
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56724

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That 16th place and the point spread with Saxo Bank, 19 °, becomes fundamental. The sporting criterion is priority points above the ethical, administrative and economic and normally ranked 16th, 17th and 18th will be chosen, unless the differences are minimal points but neither is the case. Also is sponsor Shimano UCI and the team was invited to the Tour of Beijing, organized by the international body which finally did not run by the political crisis between China and Japan.

So Argos in and not Saxo :-\

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2012, 13:28 »
And that is the issue no one knows not even the UCI I think -  ::)

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2012, 14:34 »
Ok the translation confused me :'(

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2012, 20:21 »
It seems to imply that Argos are more likely to get it, as the evaluate first and foremost the points and only if there is a very minimal difference will they look into all the ethical, administrative stuff criteria and apparently the difference is not all that minimal (I would have thought it would be) it seems argos will most likely make it.

If they do look into the ethical side of it though Saxo seem to have got a good chance of making it as they did training camp in Israel with Arabs and Jews and all that stuff.. I dont know what Argos do, but their sponsor surely does not help their cause..

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 20:43 »
It seems to imply that Argos are more likely to get it, as the evaluate first and foremost the points and only if there is a very minimal difference will they look into all the ethical, administrative stuff criteria and apparently the difference is not all that minimal (I would have thought it would be) it seems argos will most likely make it.

If they do look into the ethical side of it though Saxo seem to have got a good chance of making it as they did training camp in Israel with Arabs and Jews and all that stuff.. I dont know what Argos do, but their sponsor surely does not help their cause..

It depends as to what is seen as ethical, if it solely concerns this sport Argos would have the upperhand due to their doping position, the manner in which they handle their riders and those kind of things

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2012, 20:46 »
It depends as to what is seen as ethical, if it solely concerns this sport Argos would have the upperhand due to their doping position, the manner in which they handle their riders and those kind of things

It's that Spekenbrink. He is a genius. I doubted him at first but he's really stepping up.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2012, 20:51 »
It depends as to what is seen as ethical, if it solely concerns this sport Argos would have the upperhand due to their doping position, the manner in which they handle their riders and those kind of things
Quite right barrus, that is also another factor which they surely take into account.

Here is what they say
 
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The ethical criterion takes account inter alia of the respect by the team or its members for:

a) the UCI regulations, inter alia as regards anti-doping, sporting conduct and the image of cycling;
b) its contractual obligations;
c) its legal obligations, particularly as regards payment of taxes, social security and keeping
accounts;
d) the principles of transparency and good faith.
(http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTkzNg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=34028&LangId=1 Page 86)
So yes doping factors are obviously considered, and of course work for charity could be considered in image of cycling, but tbh admittedly doping seems to be more of a factor.

Then again who knows what the UCI's true motives are?  :P

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 19:29 »
Teams in the top 15 by sporting value (alphabetical order)
AG2R La Mondiale
Astana Pro Team
BMC Racing Team
Cannondale
Euskaltel – Euskadi
Former Rabobank
Garmin Sharp
Katusha
Lampre – Merida
Movistar Team
Omega Pharma – Quick-Step Cycling Team
Orica GreenEdge
RadioShack Nissan
Sky Procycling
Vacansoleil – DCM Pro Cycling Team
Teams ranked 16th-20th (vying for final three WorldTour spots)
16. Team Argos – Shimano
17. Lotto Belisol
18. FDJ
19. Team Europcar
20. Team Saxo – Tinkoff
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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 19:30 »
EE make the cut,  Europcar do not want WT

So it may just be Saxo who misses out

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 19:47 »
They should just give 14 teams WT and leave out Lotto, Euskaltel, Argos, FJD and Saxo. All pretty limited teams that would be unable to field good squads on some major races. Euskaltel can skip the cobbles but do all 3 GT's, Lotto and Saxo can skip the Giro, Argos can skip anything where Degenkolb and Kittel aren't present, and FDJ can do the French races. Better for everyone.

Though of those mentioned above I actually think Saxo have the most complete roster, at least they can be competitive in the classics, all 3 GT's (assuming either Kreuziger or Roche rides the Giro), and some minor races.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 19:51 »
Personally I would add Lampre to that list SR...
I fail to see how they add value in a lot of the races they partake in and their cobbled team is certainly no good..

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2012, 20:02 »
Personally I would add Lampre to that list SR...
I fail to see how they add value in a lot of the races they partake in and their cobbled team is certainly no good..

Good point. Perhaps even BMC to be honest, their classics team is great and they have a decent Tour team with TJ and Cadel, but at the other GT's not so much. And Vacansoleil is a bit questionable too, but they should just make the cut.

Less teams in WT, more room for wildcards would be far better imo.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2012, 20:14 »
Lampre as a team might not even be there next season.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2012, 20:35 »
Lampre as a team might not even be there next season.

agreed

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2012, 20:44 »
Personally I believe Vaconsoleil add a lot of value to the WT..
They may not have the strongest squad and the most high profile names but the fact is that they have a lot of riders who can perform well on their day and they generally always tend to make races more exciting with their aggressive style..

TDG is just one case point, a more general one being Hoogerland. They always seem to pitch up though and even in the Vuelta they  had guys like Marcynzki climbing up there with the best and of course in terms of their levels of suspicion when it comes to doping.. well the fact that Dim is finding it hard to find one of their staff who has been labelled as dodgy say it all. Imo the WT needs teams like Vaconsoleil, who give it their all and though they may not be the ones making the headlines, in general they do contribute to making the race.

And do not forget their PN this year, that nearly matched Sky-Dauphine in terms of domination.

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2012, 21:52 »
agreed

if a chemist does not fall out of the sky on them a panda might just flip them up  ;)

That sounds painful...

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2012, 22:28 »
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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2012, 15:12 »
They should just give 14 teams WT and leave out Lotto, Euskaltel, Argos, FJD and Saxo. All pretty limited teams that would be unable to field good squads on some major races. Euskaltel can skip the cobbles but do all 3 GT's, Lotto and Saxo can skip the Giro, Argos can skip anything where Degenkolb and Kittel aren't present, and FDJ can do the French races. Better for everyone.

Though of those mentioned above I actually think Saxo have the most complete roster, at least they can be competitive in the classics, all 3 GT's (assuming either Kreuziger or Roche rides the Giro), and some minor races.

Are you kidding me Saxo a limited team :police: This year maybe but not next year :wave

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Re: World tour and pro conti/conti teams 2013
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2012, 15:23 »
Are you kidding me Saxo a limited team :police: This year maybe but not next year :wave

because their classics team and sprint teams are brilliant - come on Florry

Take away Contador and they are a good pro conti team

 

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