i want to believe in performances by riders but it sure is hard. too many times the sport has declared doping is a thing of the past or only a minority who cant survive the peloton without dope.

I agree that all sudden improvements are/should be met with suspicion. In order to achieve some sort of rational basis, I tend to look at who riders surround themselves with and who they associated with in the past.

On a scale of 1 to Contador, JTL scores hardly anything. As far as I'm aware.

Doping for a month then not continuing it through the season or only bothering in France? I don't have my head in the sand in regards to the peloton being pure but that is a pathetic and irrational viewpoint.

Also the one place you don't want to do the dark stuff is France.

Doping for a month then not continuing it through the season or only bothering in France? I don't have my head in the sand in regards to the peloton being pure but that is a pathetic and irrational viewpoint.

My view point pathetatic and irrational?

I did not suggest it was month!

I did not suggest it was only in France!

There is plenty of evidence of how easy it is to use enhancement without being caught.

I have refrained from hardcore 'clinic' talk on the Velorrooms and kept away from the 'clinic' as much as possible and I have no interest in starting it ere but this is pro cycling and i am not going to ignore the realities.

Mods: please feel free to remove all mention of doping from this thread that i have posted as i understand there is a section to discuss such matters.

We dont have a set policy on that yet. My personal point of view would be that occasional talk for a few posts is fine. After that the thread gets split and moved. Mods may feel differently. Its not somethinng thats happened yet

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Cheers Admin.

I dont want to bog the Velorooms down with a 'clinic' or derail threads so Mod my post should you feel the need.

Its a long season, J T-L will have other peaks I am sure.

Barta wins the tt link

Huzarski the overall link
Edit: Barta pushed his teammate into second on the overall.

Moser finishes 4th and 7th
Di Luca 10th on the overall.