World Tour - [WT] Volta Catalunya

just some guy · « **Reply #120 on:** March 22, 2012, 11:37 »

Quote from: mc_mountain on March 22, 2012, 11:33

Brajkovic was further down on GC after stage 2 (in the group at @ 51secs on the stage), top 3 decided on countback would be Carrara, Cherel and Kruiswijk - in that order at present by my reckoning.

Is there some merit in creating a contrived time gap that mitigates the argument from the 'peloton' that 'we'd have closed the gap if the stage had gone the distance' but still rewarding the breakaway (not suggesting this will actually happen but interested in people's views) - you could give y'day's breakers 1.32 and suddenly you still have a race for GC. Are there any precedents for this?

No one wins

they probably did the only thing they could

I was thinking maybe the break guys start on the same time as Albasini as a reward so 13 on Zero but how do you do that

mc_mountain · « **Reply #121 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:01 »

Quote from: just some guy on March 22, 2012, 11:37

No one wins

they probably did the only thing they could

I was thinking maybe the break guys start on the same time as Albasini as a reward so 13 on Zero but how do you do that

If you put them all on the same time as Albasini that is unfair on the 3 I mentioned who were in the first group on stage 2. If you give the break 1.32 then Albasini, Carrara, Cherel and Kruiswijk would all be on the same time on GC. If you can arbitarily say there's no time gaps, I don't see much difference in arbitarily modifying the time gap (again I am not suggesting this will happen).

Jamsque · « **Reply #122 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:04 »

So what's going on today? Is there a race? Will it count for GC? How long is it? Will there be coverage? Can any of us be bothered to watch?

just some guy · « **Reply #123 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:10 »

Quote from: mc_mountain on March 22, 2012, 12:01

If you put them all on the same time as Albasini that is unfair on the 3 I mentioned who were in the first group on stage 2. If you give the break 1.32 then Albasini, Carrara, Cherel and Kruiswijk would all be on the same time on GC. If you can arbitarily say there's no time gaps, I don't see much difference in arbitarily modifying the time gap (again I am not suggesting this will happen).

I guess but then ......
I think they made the correct call

Amsterhammer · « **Reply #124 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:18 »

Quote from: Jamsque on March 22, 2012, 12:04

So what's going on today? Is there a race? Will it count for GC? How long is it? Will there be coverage? Can any of us be bothered to watch?

A stage.
Yes
Who knows?
Unknown
Probably, but you never know...
Probably, we're addicts.....

Jamsque · « **Reply #125 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:21 »

I propose that the Volta Catalunya be re-named the Magical Mystery Tour

What's the parcours? Who's still riding? What's the GC situation? Will there be a broadcast?

IT IS A MYSTERY

just some guy · « **Reply #126 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:22 »

They are riding the original stage left at the original time

benotti69 · « **Reply #127 on:** March 22, 2012, 14:03 »

Out of curiosity the car that Julian Dean had an unfortunate meeting with, anyone know who is liable for the damage in a situation like this?

Hope Dean can make the end of season races at least.

just some guy · « **Reply #128 on:** March 22, 2012, 14:07 »

Quote from: benotti69 on March 22, 2012, 14:03

Out of curiosity the car that Julian Dean had an unfortunate meeting with, anyone know who is liable for the damage in a situation like this?

Hope Dean can make the end of season races at least.

The race I would assume

re Dean his is 36 could be career ending .

L'arriviste · « **Reply #129 on:** March 22, 2012, 14:07 »

Quote from: benotti69 on March 22, 2012, 14:03

Out of curiosity the car that Julian Dean had an unfortunate meeting with, anyone know who is liable for the damage in a situation like this?

Hope Dean can make the end of season races at least.

It comes down to the negotiations of the various insurers. The race is insured and the rider himself. So, assuming the car was legally parked etc, one or both of the latter parties will pay.

Dekker_Tifosi · « **Reply #130 on:** March 22, 2012, 14:34 »

Quote from: Amsterhammer on March 22, 2012, 11:11

Very funny, sir. ;D

And possibly not far off the mark.

Actually completely wrong.
It has nothing at all to do with Kruijswijk who has no chance of winning anyway since both Cherel and especially Carrara were much stronger in the previous mt stages so he would have never taken the GC.

I genuinely think it's unfair they annuled the time gaps. And if most directeurs sportif and riders in the race agree... then they must all be Kruijswijk fans right?

Don't give me this shortsighted bullsh*t.

sublimit · « **Reply #131 on:** March 22, 2012, 14:57 »

Quote from: Jamsque on March 22, 2012, 12:21

I propose that the Volta Catalunya be re-named the Magical Mystery Tour

What's the parcours? Who's still riding? What's the GC situation? Will there be a broadcast?

IT IS A MYSTERY

Coverage will be delayed by womens tennis or banger racing or bull riding or whatever - that we do know already. Well probably a good chance it will be.

Trying to fathom what the hell is happening is part of the fun I suppose, fans getting trolled by race organisers now.

jimmythecuckoo · « **Reply #132 on:** March 22, 2012, 15:17 »

The last thing this race needed was a change in parcours and confusion

L'arriviste · « **Reply #133 on:** March 22, 2012, 16:54 »

Yay! Rigo wins. About time too! 8)

just some guy · « **Reply #134 on:** March 22, 2012, 19:01 »

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11431/Volta-a-Catalunya-Uran-takes-strong-win-Albasini-defends-jersey.aspx

mc_mountain · « **Reply #135 on:** March 22, 2012, 19:10 »

Dim · « **Reply #136 on:** March 22, 2012, 21:07 »

Video
Vc 12-4

barrus · « **Reply #137 on:** March 23, 2012, 06:13 »

First of I need to say that that was a great stage and very exciting right up to the very end. Great to see Uran win this, hope he really has a resurgence this year. Also, is it just me or is Gesink looking pretty lousy at the moment?

Tuart · « **Reply #138 on:** March 23, 2012, 09:21 »

Swiss 1-2 in the GC, well I never!

That was an exciting finish too, group of 6 off the front for last 20km never getting more than 20 seconds and only being caught in last 500m. Albasini did a lot of work as well, thought he showed great intelligence when he didn't try to ride himself too far into the red chasing Levi.

BYOP · « **Reply #139 on:** March 23, 2012, 16:14 »

Uran close to another stage win, was there a crash after the finish line or was the winner just having a rest?

flicker2.0 · « **Reply #140 on:** March 23, 2012, 18:37 »

High quality racing there, reminds me of 6-day racing. Those riders were really going, and who said Leipheimer was a wheelsucker?
Chasing a group like that, both the breakaway and the chasers showed much class. Quality ride, quality riders.

Dim · « **Reply #141 on:** March 23, 2012, 19:57 »

Stage 5 - NOTE this has a spoiler of the E3 result in the first ten seconds so if you dont know that result, skip to about 30 seconds to a minute in, or watch that first

Vc 12-5

Dekker_Tifosi · « **Reply #142 on:** March 23, 2012, 21:16 »

Too bad sprinting positions decide the gc now...

ansimi · « **Reply #143 on:** March 24, 2012, 03:13 »

Non sprinters sprinting for position is exciting but it sure could be dangerous! I don't want to see a pile-on crash of those top guys who are on same time...

Michielveedeebee · « **Reply #144 on:** March 24, 2012, 16:46 »

Spoiler (hover to show)

mc_mountain · « **Reply #145 on:** March 24, 2012, 18:11 »

Movistar twitter posted the aggregate placings...

3. Van den Broeck (73);
4. Martin (84);
5. Urán (108);
6. Cunego (115);
7. Pardilla (129).
8. Kiserlovski (132);
9. Cataldo (134);
10. Carrara (135);
11. Danielson (138);
12. Menchov (154).

Dim · « **Reply #146 on:** March 24, 2012, 22:29 »

Vc 12-6

just some guy · « **Reply #147 on:** March 26, 2012, 08:18 »

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11451/Simon-wins-again-in-Volta-a-Catalunya-Albasini-seals-final-overall-victory.aspx

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