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Re: Operation Puerto
« Reply #241 on: April 04, 2013, 17:40 »
Spreadsheet of transfusions corrolated with race schedules
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #242 on: April 13, 2013, 09:01 »
    http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3425304/2013/04/13/Nog-twee-Nederlandse-renners-klant-bij-Fuentes.dhtml

    Apparently besides Thomas Dekker and Remmert Wielinga, there are two more Dutch clients of Fuentes. They didn't get a codename though, since they only bought epo and didn't have transfusions with Fuentes. The source for this information, for a change, seems to be credible: the doctor Berend Nikkels, who advised numerous riders on their doping usage. He won't give any names though, since he is bound by professional confidentiality.

    Also interesting is how he describes the doping went in the Rabo team: "There were three categories at Rabo. The domestiques, who weren't allowed anything. There were superdomestiques, who were tolerated to dope on their own accord. And there was the top. They were facilitated. Three of four men. Theo de Rooij named this strategy 'success risk' around 2000.

    (all from an AD interview with Nikkels)
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #243 on: April 23, 2013, 19:19 »
    D-day April 30th

    Or court will make decision public
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #244 on: April 23, 2013, 20:14 »
    D-day April 30th

    Or court will make decision public

    Are we set for a Puerto / Mantova double-bill then? Dopey Mother of ...

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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #245 on: April 23, 2013, 20:43 »
    Are we set for a Puerto / Mantova double-bill then? Dopey Mother of ...



    Going to be a busy week leading into the 1st GT of the year that's for sure
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #246 on: April 23, 2013, 21:44 »
    D-day April 30th

    Or court will make decision public

    Wonder is Petacchi expecting his name to come out?
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #247 on: April 23, 2013, 22:54 »
    Wonder is Petacchi expecting his name to come out?

    Maybe, I would have thought he would have gone to the Giro to close off his career if he wanted to retire now, however it could as well be that Lampre didn't want him on the Giro squad, if they don't think he can win any stages then bringing another rider along might be a better idea.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #248 on: April 29, 2013, 22:58 »
    Tomorrow is finally the day for the decision.
    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/puerto-doping-trial-verdict-to-be-announced-tuesday_284158

    Of course, it's a TUESDAY!  :P
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #249 on: April 30, 2013, 01:01 »
    Of course, it's a TUESDAY!  :P

    well it has to be - nothing else would make sense    :D
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #250 on: April 30, 2013, 14:11 »
    the verdict, in spanish
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #251 on: April 30, 2013, 14:13 »
    As jumped the gun and prematurely published an article stating the outcome and later pulled it. There were no numbers (fines, lengths of sentence) and they got Yolanda's verdict wrong but of what remained it was spot on. Meanwhile, no other journos had said there was a delay on the hearing, which lent credence to the As report.

    Anyway, when the story did finally break that was that. None of us have yet read the judgement but I'm thinking that the judge will have ruled against releasing the blood bags on the grounds that doing so did not alter the character of the present case and would be prejudicial to those whose blood it was since there was no framework of a new criminal investigation in which to place the evidence.

    Neither Fuentes nor Labarta will serve time in jail. The sentences were suspended. I think Fuentes has been banned from medical purchases for 4 years but there is evidence to suggest that he was able to buy through proxies back then anyway, when he probably did so in order to avoid detection, so in theory that "proscription on prescriptions" changes very little if you have no qualms about acting illegally.

    Not a good result whatever way you look at it.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #252 on: April 30, 2013, 14:42 »
    The only way WADA is getting those blood bags is if we go all Dimspace's Eleven and heist them away from the Spanish police.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #253 on: April 30, 2013, 14:55 »
    The full decision...

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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #254 on: April 30, 2013, 14:57 »
    The only way WADA is getting those blood bags is if we go all Dimspace's Eleven and heist them away from the Spanish police.

    "Dimspace's Eleven"  :lol :lol :lol
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #255 on: April 30, 2013, 15:01 »
    The judgement does not describe the legal grounds on which the Judge bases her decision to allow the destruction of the blood bags. That's irritating: we can't try to pick apart the reasoning there, or indeed to find out about Spanish rules of criminal evidence.

    Presumably she agreed with the arguments offered by the parties who objected. I don't have those to hand but I'd be curious to know if there was an issue about remoteness.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #256 on: April 30, 2013, 17:01 »
    Overall, this is a minor slap on the wrist.  One year suspended sentence and 4 year of not practicing sports medicine, not much of a deterrent there.  How about adding a fine in relationship to the amount of money he collected while being one of the doping doctors of choice.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #257 on: May 10, 2013, 09:58 »
    apparently spanish media has offered Fuentes 60000-100000 Euro to talk

    http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/05/09/actualidad/1368124475_911635.html
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #258 on: May 10, 2013, 10:26 »
    apparently spanish media has offered Fuentes 60000-100000 Euro to talk

    http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/05/09/actualidad/1368124475_911635.html

    I guess the Spanish government is deeply involved in this case. The Spanish do want this to come to any more light than it has already. They will do their utmost to protect the 'clean' and untainted sports, Cycling was the sport that could always be sacrificed to feed the media. If the media did their job in Spain they would've uncovered a lot more than what we know.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #259 on: May 12, 2013, 12:07 »
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    Both WADA and UCI will appeal the Fuentes decision to destroy evidence. Spanish anti-doping agency too
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #260 on: May 17, 2013, 10:31 »
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    BREAKING: Spanish state prosecutor's office to appeal against decision to destroy blood bags in Operation Puerto case.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #261 on: May 17, 2013, 15:40 »
    Both Spanish prosecutor and CONI to appeal. UCI, and Spanish Anti Doping agency expected to join then. (no mention yet of WADA)

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/puerto-prosecutor-to-appeal-sentences-plans-for-blood-bags_287228

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    A spokesman for public prosecutor confirmed on Friday that they will join the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) in appealing that decision. Cycling world governing body, the UCI, and the Spanish Anti-Doping Agency (AEA) have also signaled their intention to appeal.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #262 on: May 17, 2013, 15:41 »
    Both Spanish prosecutor and CONI to appeal. UCI, and Spanish Anti Doping agency expected to join then. (no mention yet of WADA)

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/puerto-prosecutor-to-appeal-sentences-plans-for-blood-bags_287228

    "SADA" is the key WADA signatory in the case, so I doubt WADA itself would need to be on the roster.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #263 on: May 23, 2013, 02:36 »
    I find it "funny" the CONI is appealing...
    so let me get this straight: when it's their cyclists (Italians), working with a doping doctor (Ferrari), this constitutes a 3 month suspension...
    while here they want much heavier sanctions since it happens to be a Spanish doctor involved?

    Yeah...
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #264 on: May 23, 2013, 11:37 »
    I find it "funny" the CONI is appealing...
    so let me get this straight: when it's their cyclists (Italians), working with a doping doctor (Ferrari), this constitutes a 3 month suspension...
    while here they want much heavier sanctions since it happens to be a Spanish doctor involved?

    Yeah...

    1. Ferrari

    Association with a banned doctor is not the same as doping with a banned doctor. Unfortunately, there was not enough evidence to prove otherwise, however prima facie obvious these cases may have been.

    After his first trial, Ferrari was careful to build in degrees of separation between himself and his activities, adopting a 'hidden in plain sight' approach with his little website and his camper van, in order to limit his future exposure to legal pursuit.

    However, given the vain fool that he is, in his unshakeable arrogance he failed to take such precautions in his financial dealings, and appears to have left such matters to "respectable" lawyers like Rocco Taminelli.

    All will be revealed in due course, I daresay, but the fact remains that Ferrari effectively limited personal risk to his clients and to himself in the training / doping aspects, passing on much of it to a number of individuals including his son Stefano.

    This is a step beyond what Fuentes managed to do with his ridiculous coded lingo and his decryptable records, but it should be remembered that Fuentes' operation dates back to the period 2003-2006, which makes him a near-contemporary of Ferrari's original idiocy.

    2. CONI

    CONI is appealing because it has a twofold interest in this case for which it must get vindication:

    a) Valverde and Scarponi. Both of these vintage dopers cost CONI a lot of time and expense and the accounts must be settled.

    b) Certain clubs in Serie A are thought to have been heavily dependent on Fuentes' Madrid operation and the anonymous blood bags may contain evidence of that.

    CONI must also bear responsibility for its own small part in the explosion of blood doping in sport, having facilitated and indirectly financed Conconi's nineties doping programme. Thus I am quite happy to see it pushing hard for the right reasons.

    Puerto has never been an entirely Spanish affair.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #265 on: May 23, 2013, 16:35 »
    Funny though, until now I've yet to hear or read, besides AC Milan, any other Serie A team...
    I blame the media for brainwashing people into thinking it's simply a Spanish issue.

    I for one am very offended when people start to equate Spaniard = doper... it's one of the reasons I quit twitter, when I started getting non-followers insulting my ethnicity...
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #266 on: July 31, 2013, 16:28 »
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #267 on: August 10, 2013, 00:07 »
    Did someone by any chance get hold on the other Puerto Tomo's than those already included in the document-topic? I'm trying to dig into it after the French Senat report.

    I found Tomo IV, X, XI and XIII as well as a lot of separate pages from other Tomo's. Especially a complete version of the Tomo's I, II and III would be a lot of help for further analysis.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #269 on: August 27, 2013, 21:20 »
    http://twitter.com/mrconde/status/372448928160952320
    Well, it was not a court case, but a press council complaint.

    I'm not sure how that works in the Netherlands, but I bet it is not as strange a process as the UK.

    Also, doesn't seem to be a complete victory for Flecha as no redaction / apology was needed.

    It seems yet again somene has got off on a technicality.
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