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The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
« on: October 28, 2012, 15:36 »
The following is a far from complete list of current team staff, doctors, and soigneurs with World Tour teams, linked to doping either as riders, or as part of the team management. Credits to http://dopeology.org for a lot of the information. This is a work in progress, more links, details, and sources will be added gradually. The point of this isnt to target particular teams, say some are dirty, some clean, but to show that for cycling to truly move forward, there are deep ingrained issues that need to be addressed, people who need to be open and honest about their pasts.


Ag2r-La Mondiale
  Daniele Tarsi (Doctor at the doped Casino team)
  Vincent Lavenu (Manager at the doped Casino Team)
  Laurent Biondi (Sporting Director - Original sacked in 2005 after being arrested in relation to doping allegations. Re-Hired in 2007. Part of the Ton Ton Tapis team in 1990[1]

Astana
  Andrea Andreazzoli (Doctor, named in Mantova)
  Marco Pallini  (Doctor Named In Mantova)
  Alexander Vinokourov (Director from 2013 - served doping ban)
  Simone Uliari (Doctor - has worked with Conconi - +Grazzi, Casoni, Manfredini - in the past[2]

BMC Racing Team
  Jim Ochiwicz (Former DS at Motorola, reported in the USADA evidence as having a doping program)
  John Lelangue (DS - formerly the manager of Phonak)
  Andy Rihs (Sponsor and now owner. Owns Phonak. USADA reports name him as funding Landis's doping)
  Max Testa (Doctor with Motorola, Mapei)
  Giovanni Ruffini (Doctor with Mapei)
  Yvon Ledanois (Joins BMC for 2013, Client of Dr Mabuse - Bernard Sainz - , ex movistar director)
  Dario Spinelli  (Doctor - worked with Mapei with Testa and Ruffini)
  Max Sciandri (DS - Formerly at Motorola, client of Luigi Cecchini, member of Cecchini's famous olympic podium clean sweep)[3]
  Freddy Viaene (Soigneur - Named/Redacted in the USADA documentation)

Euskaltel-Euskadi
  Raquel Ortolano (Doctor - Liberty  Seguros from ?-06, Astana 07-09)[4]
  Sergio Quilez (Doctor - Liberty  Seguros 05-06)
  Alvaro Gonzalez de Galdeano (Sports Director - Positive for nandrolone as a rider)

FDJ-BigMat
  Marc Madiot (manager, former doper - admitted doping "only in criteriums", accused of being a doping manager by Erwann Menthéour who rode for him in 1997 and tested positive, later confessing)
  Former home of Fabio Bartalucci, now at Sky

Garmin-Sharp   
  Jonathan Vaughters (Owner - Admitted doping in the USADA investigation)
  Johnny Weltz (DS - Rode for ONCE, worked at Motorola, Postal, CSC)

Orica-GreenEDGE
  Matt White (DS - admitted doping - Dismissed by the team ref)
  Neil Stephens (DS - Formerly a sporting director at Liberty Seguros and Astana. Rode for Festina and admitted taking EPO but claims that it was given to him without his knowledge and he thought they were vitamins)
  Manuel Rodriguez Alonso - Spanish Olympic Commission 96, 00, 04; ONCE 2000; Mapei 01-02; QST 03-04 (Sinkewitz named him as an administrator of dope); Real Madrid 07-09[5]
  Daniele Nardello (Sporting Director - Rode between 1994 and 2002 for the infamous Mapei team, and in the following years for the equally infamous Telekom team, both of which had team wide doping.)[6]

Team Katusha [7]
  Hans-Michael Holczer (Director - Former Director at Gerolsteiner, resigned after the Kohl and Schumacker positives) - Holczer was dismissed at the end of 2012 to be replaced by.....
  Viatcheslav Ekimov (Former Postal rider, Redacted Rider #11 on the USADA reports. )
  Slawomir Blaszczyk ("Physio" at Gerolsteiner)
  Thomas Klimaschka (Doctor Phonak 2005/06)
  Massimo Besnati (Doctor at Mapei and Footon with Taus. Prosecuted for possession of steroids in 2001 after raids at the Giro. Allegedly just deals with muscle pain and posture related injuries)
  Dr Andrei Mikhailov (Doctor at TVM - was the doctor at the centre of the 1998 scandal[8] )
  Christian Henn (Sports director, admitted doping while at Telekom)
  Erik Zabel (Coach, admitted doping in 2007)
  Mario Chiesa (Sports Director - Rode at Carrerra, investigated in 2001 and 2004 (Ferrara))[9]
  Gennady Mikhaylov (Sports Director - Rode four years at Postal before then joining Astana)
  Besnati (Doctor - worked with Batik-Del Monte 97, Riso Sotti 98-99, Milram 07)
  Mikhailov (Doctor -  Collstrop 99, Lotto around 01, Unibet 07)
 
Lampre-ISD[10]
  Giuseppe Saronni (Manager - Named in the Mantova Investigation)
  Fabrizio Bontempi (Sports Director - Named in the Mantova Investigation)
  Pietro Ronchi (Doctor Lampre 02/03-present)
  Sandro Lerici (Sports Director - Arrested in the Soprani raids)
  Orlando Maini (Sports Director - formerly at Mercatone Uno, LPR and Tinkoff. Investigated and acquited in the Bologna trials)
  Maurizio Piovani (Sports Director, Arrested in the Soprani raids, named in the Mantova Investigation)
  Carlo Guardascione (Doctor - Named in Mantova Investigation)
  Fabio Della Torre (Massuer - Named in Mantova Investigation)

Liquigas-Cannondale
  Emilio Magni (Doctor - Mercatone Uno 00, Fassa 01-04)
  Roberto Corsetti (Doctor - One of the redacted others in the USADA documents)
  Alberto Volpi (Sports Director - Positive test as rider, missed test, Gewiss investigation, Ferrara investigation)
  Mario Scirea (Sports Director - Raided as part of the Oil for Drugs raids in 2004)
  Fabrizio Settembrini (Soigneur, formally with Mercatone Uno, raided in 2001)

Lotto-Belisol
  Mark Sergeant (Sports Director - twice positive as a rider, 13 April 1983 (Ruta del Sol) and 1985 Grote Scheldeprijs. Rode for three years for the notorious Panasonic team.)
  Mario Aerts (Sports Director, investigated in 2001, on the Telekom team)

Movistar Team
  Eusebio Unzue (Manager - Needs no introduction, dirtier than a tramp at glastonbury)
  Jesus Hoyos (Doctor - Illes/Banesto - Raided in 2001)
  José Luis Arrieta (Sporting Director, rode for the dodgy Banesto team, investigated in the 2001 raids, famously referred to Valverde as "never testing positive")
  Yvon Ledanois (Sports Director - arrested during the Cofidis raids while riding for FdeJ)

Omega Pharma-Quick Step

  Patric Lefevre (Manager - Former manager of the exceedingly dodgy Mapei team. Accused by the belgian press in 2007 of doping Link)
  Ibarguren Taus (Doctor - Saunier Duval, doping products found in car and more)[11]
  Brian Holm (Director - admitted doping as a rider)
  Rolf Aldag (Director - Admitted doping as a rider)
  Yvan Van Mol (Doctor - GB - MG Maglificio, Mapei and then Quickstep. Named by three riders of having administered HGH, EPO, Caffeine, Testosterone, Cortisone)[12]
  Tom Steels (Sports Director - Long time rider at Mapei, one of the riders raided in 2002)
  Rik Van Slycke (Sports Director - tested positive as a rider)
  Jo Planckaert (Driver - convicted in 2008 for his role in the Landuyt  affair)
  Davide Bramati (Sports Director - Long time rider for Mapei, raided in 2001)
  Dirk Nachtergaele (Soigneur - Dirk is an interesting one, a full time soigneur with the team until recently, he is now part time as Tom Boonens Soigneur - has a very interesting history[13] )
Toon Cruyt (Doctor - Also accused by Partick Sinkewitz of administering doping products)

Rabobank
  Jeroen Blijlevens (Sporting director from 2013 - Member of the 1998 TVM Squad thrown out of the Tour de France for doping - alleged positive for epo ref)
  Eric Breukink (Coach - dismissed in Sept 2012 - Rode at PDM, Once)

RadioShack-Nissan
  Johan Bruyneel (Sports Director - needs no introduction)
  Kim Anderson (Sports Director - Tested positive, banned for life, then reduced, then tested positive again)
  Pedro Celaya (Doctor - named in the USADA investigation. No longer with the team)
  Geert Duffeleer (Director of Operations - Heads Bruyneel sports management, cook, soigneur and gopher. Named in USADA investigations)

Team Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank
  Bjarne Riis (Confessed doper and named by Hamilton as sending riders to Fuentes)
  José Pepi Marti (Doctor, named in USADA files, formerly at Astana)[nb]Marti never "formerly" joined the team. Contador tried to bring his trainer to the team when he sign but the Danes said no, however Contador continued working with him, and the team allowed Pepe certain unofficial access to the team. Contador allegedly stopped working with Marti after the 2011 Giro d'Italia.
  Fabrizio Guidi (Sports Director, raided in 2004, tested positive in 2005 while at Phonak)

Team Sky
  Gert Leinders (Doctor Rabobank - now dismissed)
  Bartalucci (Doctor Busted in 2001 but not charged) - No longer listed on Sky Staff
  Sean Yates (Formerly at Motorola and DS at Discovery Channel - now left the team)
  Bobby Jullich (Coach, admitted doping  - now dismissed)
  Steven de Jongh (Sporting Director - Rode for the TVM Squad that was raided and discovered with ampules of EPO in 1998 - Admitted doping [14]
  Servais Knaven (Sporting Director - Rode for the same TVM squad as Steven de Jongh, and Blijlevens, alleged positive for EPO in 1998[15])

Vacansoleil-DCM
  Pieter Lagrou (Doctor - Previously at Astana 2008-2009, where he formed a three man team with Pedro Celaya and Day Elslande along with Contadors trainer Pepe Marti[16]) - Now at Saxo Bank 14/3/13
 1. Ton Ton Tapis is an interesting team with numerous links to doping. Dirk Nachtergaele was involved with the team in 1991 - See OPQS for information on Dirk - And they picked up two medals in the 90/91 worlds, Biondi himself also picked up a World Championship in 1990
 2. co-authored studies - http://www.nextbio.com/b/search/author/S%20Uliari
 3. Luigi Cecchini is one of the famous Francesco Conconi's disciples, but tends to live in the shadow of Michele Ferrari. He is no less brilliant though. Cecchini was Bjarne Riis's coach from 1992 and was by his side when he won his now discredited Tour de France. Cecchi has also worked with Tyler Hamilton, Jan Ullrich, Allesandro Pettachi, and David Millar while he was at Saunier Duval after returning from his ban. Cecchini moved to CSC as team doctor through till 2004. He also famously trained all three of the medal winning riders in the 1996 Olympics. More info
 4. Moves back to Astana for 2013
 5. Not to be confused with Manuel Rodriguez Bastida, sacked from Rock for 'no reason', sacked from Xacobeo for refusing to dope
 6. Nardello finished three years in a row in the top ten of the Tour de France.  In October 2012, Eurosport noted that all the riders who finished ahead of him in the 1998, 1999 and 2000 Tours de France had subsequently tested positive, confessed to doping, or had been linked to doctors known to provide doping. Nardello is also cited in the USADA file as the guy who intimidated Simeone during the Tour of 2004 after he was reeled in by the peloton in the 18th stage.
 7. This list does not include the countless staff that rode for the infamous Gerolsteiner team
 8. The TVM squad were thrown out of the tour - see De Jongh, Knaven and Blijlevens. Mikhailov was found guilty of supplying EPO and got 1 year probation and a fine of 60,000 French Francs
 9. The Ferrara investigation centred around the work done at Francesco Conconi's lab at the Ferrara University. One of the Carrerra team doctors Giovanni Grazzi was assistant to Conconi at the University. This official judicial investigation concluded that the riders of the Carrera team were administered EPO in 1993. In 1997, Claudio Chiappucci told prosecutor Vincenzo Scolastico that he had been using EPO since 1993 but later withdrew his statement.
 10. Multiple riders, and staff from Lampre are involved and named in the Mantova Investigation. The full list of non riders listed in the investigation are as follows (not all are currently associated with Lampre) : Jose Ibarguren (Doctor), Andrea Andreazzoli (Doctor), Fabrizio Bontempi (DS), Fabio Della Torre (Massuer), Sergio Gelati (Trainer), Sebastian Gilmozzi (Courier), Carlo Guardascione (Doctor), Guido Nigrelli (Pharmacist), Paolo Pezzini (Masseur), Mariano Piccoli (Courier), Maurizio Piovani (DS), Guiseppe Saronni (Manager)
 11. Taus is an interesting case. He was accused in 1999 by Festina soigneur Willy Voet on Belgian TV. of doping riders at Lotto. In 2000 he moved to Banesto where according to Thomas Davy had "a system of doping under medical supervision". Then he moved onto Lampre and in 2002 his campervan was stopped, searched and found to contain Cortisoids, Syringes and numerous doping products. The Lampre team was of course the home of Raimondas Rumsas, Barbero and Bortalami. he then moved to Euskaltel before going to Saunier Duval for the heady days of Ricco, Peipoli and Iban Mayo. Team Manager Giannetti banned doping on the team so Ibarguren starting keeping the products at his home.
 12. In 2007 Ivan van Mol confessed that he was aware of doping riders at Mapei, especially with Growth Hormones, but he denied being complicit in the doping. http://www.dhnet.be/dhjournal/archives_det.phtml?id=680035
 13. Nachetergaele was originally a massuer to Johann Bruyneel and Lapage. Then worked for Panasonic, Mapei and Quickstep, working with Bortalami (whos doctor was Ibarguren Taus),  Museeuw, Eric Vanderaerden and in 2012, Boonen. A few years ago he had this to say of Museeuw  "Good times I have been there with Johan Museeuw, especially since his glory period coincided with mine" - Interestingly it was allegedly Dirk that told Lelange not to employ Freddy Viaene. He also speaks very highly of Richard Virenque, in fact Virenque dedicated his Tour de France stage win in 2004 to him, winning on Dirks birthday
 14. Admitted doping during the earlier part of his career http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8208971,00.html
 15. Along with de Jongh, Knaven was part of the squad that was thrown out of the 1998 Tour for doping. ref - Allegedly his 1998 samples held by authorities tested positive for epo ref
 16. It was the Astana team of 2009 that was the target of a French investigation where transfusion products were found dumped in the trash
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    You'll be working on this forever once you get to Liquigas.  ;D
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    Garmin  - Weltz, Chann(?)
    Astana - Martinelli, Vino
    OPQS - Holm, Aldag, Lefevre
    OGE - Nardello, Lapage(?)
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    Anyone with the title Doctor prior to their name should be bolded.. imo those are the staff who are afar and away the dodgiest..
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    all doctors btw

    Astana
    Simone Uliari - has worked with Conconi (+Grazzi, Casoni, Manfredini) in the past, co-authored studies - http://www.nextbio.com/b/search/author/S%20Uliari

    BMC
    Max Testa - worked with MG-Technogym + Asics too.
    Dario Spinelli - worked with Mapei with Testa and Ruffini

    Euskaltel
    Raquel Ortolano - Lib Seg from ?-06, Astana 07-09
    Sergio Quilez - Lib Seg 05-06

    GreenEdge
    Manuel Rodriguez Alonso - Spanish Olympic Commision 96, 00, 04; ONCE 2000; Mapei 01-02; QST 03-04 (Sinkewitz named him as an administrator of dope); Real Madrid 07-09
    [not to be confused with Manuel Rodriguez Bastida, sacked from Rock for 'no reason', sacked from Xacobeo for refusing to dope]

    Katusha
    Besnati - worked with Batik-Del Monte 97, Riso Sotti 98-99, Milram 07
    Mikhailov - Collstrop 99, Lotto around 01, Unibet 07

    Lampre
    Carlo Guardascione - Saeco 99 (at the latest)-04
    Pietro Ronchi - Lampre 02/03-present

    Liquigas
    Emilio Magni - Mercatone Uno 00, Fassa 01-04

    Movistar
    Jesus Hoyos - Illes/etc - 01-present

    OPQS
    Yvan Van Mol - Mapei 95 (at the latest)-02


    Some teams (such as the Italians and Movistar, and obviously all after OPQS I haven't finished yet. Also there are specifics I haven't posted - investigations and riders implicated while they were there etc. I'll post the spreadsheet of all Drs somewhere when I'm done at some point this week)
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    Segui is not an Astana doctor as such, just in case you got that from Dopeology. Don't forget that Dopeology is "associated with" rather than "works for". So Segui is associated with Astana via Di Grégorio.

    Plus, what's with Nardello? Didn't think there was any serious dirt on him - people like to put him on their "Tour podium without convicted dopers" lists.
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    updated, thats as much as i have so far...
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    Katusha is missing the great saviour

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    few more names, including an interesting one at Omega Quickstep, Dirk Nachtergaele..
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    Vaconsoliel Staff list.. Anyone recognise anybody, because im buggered if I do.
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    Madiot? Why :(
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    Madiot? Why :(

    because he admitted doping in 2006, said he only doped "in criteriums" bizarelly. Will put links to the allegations of running a doping team presently.
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    Vaconsoliel Staff list.. Anyone recognise anybody, because im buggered if I do.

    Jean-Paul van Poppel is missing on that list, he is currently DS at Vacansoleil. He never tested positive but there were several suspicions I think - no idea how that ended up in the end
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    Jean-Paul van Poppel is missing on that list, he is currently DS at Vacansoleil. He never tested positive but there were several suspicions I think - no idea how that ended up in the end

    yeh, the ds's are on a different list, but theres nothing on any of them. Jean Paul Van Poppel has rumours, but nothing beyond that. On the whole, they appear to have got team staff from outside teh usuall circles.
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    Ortolano is leaving Euskaltel and heading to Astana for next year, fwiw.
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    Katusha is missing the great saviour

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    why does Eki not make the list ?
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    The staff of both Vacansoleil and Argos (not WT yet, but...) have no confirmed histories and as such they deserve plenty of credit.  :tu

    Off the top of my head, JPVP probably rode the Tour in '91 with PDM's intralipid team but we must remember the fact that intralipid was still nothing more concrete than highly suspect.

    Besnati seems also to have worked for Alessio which had a considerable number of doping problems.
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    It's good to see that there are some teams at least we can have faith in. Vacansoleil and Argos, but also Lotto, Rabobank (present not past), Garmin, and possibly FDJ, AG2R and Sky. At least it's clear us Dutchies are doing something right here ;)

    Still disappointing how few teams that are, and how many of the teams continue to affiliate themselves with dodgy characters.
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    what is not know though is - are they still dodgy

    if a rider can dope for a few season but then change their mindset so can a DS

    and the reverse ofc a DS who has been anti doping says flip it lets keep our team alive
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    Is it worth marking which of those you've listed are "reformed" characters. Forgive me for returning to my tried-and-tested line of "past behaviour is no indication of current behaviour", but I've seen Madiot hailed alongside JV as someone known for running a clean team. (Unless I've been misreading things...).

    It certainly doesn't seem fair to tar JV - who is open about his past and his present, and is running a clean team - with the same brush as Bruyneel or Riis.
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    Dirk Nachtergaele... also involved with Ton Ton Tapis in 1991. Curiously Francis Moreau and Dirk De Wolf both medalled at World Champs in 1990/1991.
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    Michel Corneillese (sp?)... had a 'rep' for 'lighting-up' when he was a rider...
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    Ah, my favourite period of pro cycling!   :D

    De Wolf was a weird flash in the pan. Zero to hero just like that and back again almost as fast. Was he what technology people call an "early adopter"?  ;D

    I do vaguely remember Cornelisse from back then. Doesn't have a super palmarès but he certainly hit a purple patch in 1991.

    Kind of surprised he made it onto a team as big as TVM though. That's a bit big-league for him, although if what you say is true, he will no doubt have felt at home there. ;)
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    Is it worth marking which of those you've listed are "reformed" characters. Forgive me for returning to my tried-and-tested line of "past behaviour is no indication of current behaviour", but I've seen Madiot hailed alongside JV as someone known for running a clean team. (Unless I've been misreading things...).

    It certainly doesn't seem fair to tar JV - who is open about his past and his present, and is running a clean team - with the same brush as Bruyneel or Riis.

    The JV Question was raised yesterday, but the list isnt just about "which teams are dirty", just a demonstration of how many people in the sport have a "past". My personal view as it has been all along is that Sky's approach may not be the right one.

    A case in point: BMC

    they have a whole host of incredibly suspect staff, but conversely, actually, on the surface appear to be one of the cleaner teams. Young guys like Phinney speaking up, but ive also heard interesting rumours from several sources that new signings such as Hushovd and Gilbert were actually told prior to signing NOT to dope. Now wether or not this was because Ochs and co were worried about the extent of the USADA investigation, or wether its because they are genuinly trying to create a clean environment on the team is one that will be debated.

    The point is, BMC could make a huge statement and gain themselves huge amounts of credibility in the eyes of the fans, press etc, if key members such as Ochs, Lelangue, Testa, or Sciandri were to come out and say "look guys, this is what we all did in the past, we arent proud of it, but we are being open, and we are trying now to move forward with a clean approach".

    Its not about which team is dirty, which team is clean, which staff have dodgy pasts, but about which staff perhaps need to come forward, admit to their past, and express a desire to change the sport.
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    Ah, my favourite period of pro cycling!   :D

    De Wolf was a weird flash in the pan. Zero to hero just like that and back again almost as fast. Was he what technology people call an "early adopter"?  ;D

    I do vaguely remember Cornelisse from back then. Doesn't have a super palmarès but he certainly hit a purple patch in 1991.

    Kind of surprised he made it onto a team as big as TVM though. That's a bit big-league for him, although if what you say is true, he will no doubt have felt at home there. ;)

    1990 Worlds RR was a strange race indeed... reports in Flanders newsapapers at the time were of Dhaenens 'waking at three am' to go training as to adjust his body clock for Japanese time! (Don't forget Rudy was riding for PDM at the time...) Both he and De Wolf were so dominant in the race it was a joke.

    Cornelesse also rode on Panasonic, and a small Belgian Kermesse team called 'La William'... how he ever won Tour of Luxemburg being primarily a rider for the flat one-days opened a few eyes at the time too! (Nice guy though...)

    Dirk was a solid pro, considered not to be a thinker... good strong domestique. Goes to show what a good soigneur will do...  ;)

    Edit: Just remembered another name that raises suspicion: Laurent Biondi. Again linked to the Ton Ton Tapis team in 1990 (when surprise surprise he wins the worlds pro points race...) Later worked as DS for AG2R... not sure who he's with now...
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    I thought Marti was no longer in team Saxobank
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    Someone posted a link to this thread on the bmc facebook page.

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    It's not our place to censure things, Philip. But we will point out that the credibility of that list is undermined by the numerous spelling errors in many of the posts.

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    the spelling errors are my fault,I wrote the initial post and i do suffer mild mental health issues and struggle with spelling. My bad. I will do my best to go through and correct the spelling errors.

    I will say something which I have re-iterated in the post but will say it here for those following the link. The list is in now way meant to be an accusation of which teams are "dirty" or "clean" etc, but a demonstration of how the sport in every time, inevitably has links to the past, links we cant escape from.

    Its my personal opinion, based on comments by guys like Taylor Phinney, but also on things ive heard on the grapevine that BMC are one of the teams that are doing their best to drive forward in a positive way (if you'll excuse the pun), and do the right thing by the sport. Huge numbers of people in the sport have a past, from guys like Vaughters and Dave Millar who are now a vocal part of the Anti Doping fight, to guys like Bobby Jullich, dismissed from Sky (I believe wrongly) for admitting his past.

    The list demonstrates just how many people have a past, whether it be through doping themselves as a rider, being part of a dubious team setup, or merely by association, but i think the sport has a great opportunity right now. Teams or individuals that come forward and say "yes, we might have done this in the past" or "I did some things im not proud of but i want things to be different" will get the full support of the fans, and if anything, fans will have a greater respect for them for being open and honest about the "dark times" and showing a desire to genuinely change things for the future.

    https://www.facebook.com/BMCProTeam/posts/448283865218103?notif_t=share_comment
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    1990 Worlds RR was a strange race indeed... reports in Flanders newsapapers at the time were of Dhaenens 'waking at three am' to go training as to adjust his body clock for Japanese time! (Don't forget Rudy was riding for PDM at the time...) Both he and De Wolf were so dominant in the race it was a joke.

    Cornelesse also rode on Panasonic, and a small Belgian Kermesse team called 'La William'... how he ever won Tour of Luxemburg being primarily a rider for the flat one-days opened a few eyes at the time too! (Nice guy though...)

    Dirk was a solid pro, considered not to be a thinker... good strong domestique. Goes to show what a good soigneur will do...  ;)

    Interesting stuff!  8) I reckon Rudy would probably still be working in cycling if he were alive today.

    That 3am stuff sounds like the classic nightly exercises to prevent blood clotting, doesn't it?
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    Someone posted a link to this thread on the bmc facebook page.

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    Spelling errors undermine credibility. That is hilarious. Now your 'mild mental health issues' will certainly kill any remaining scrap of credibility you had with them, Dim.  ;D You're just another mental Internet troll.
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