Vuelta Espana 2012

froome19 · « **Reply #90 on:** July 27, 2012, 16:32 »

Quote from: LaFlorecita on July 27, 2012, 16:19

Cos andy is stupid

Rather clever, no point in being given a moral denting bashing by one or a couple of riders who will be facing next year in July.

jobiwan · « **Reply #91 on:** July 27, 2012, 16:34 »

How is he supposed to get any results in these races?

In the Vuelta he could ride himself into some sort of form and maybe bag a result later on, and then be in prime form for the Worlds, but NOOOO, Brunyeel wants him at Colorado where he will do absolutely nothing.

And why on earth isn't he going to ride Lombardia?!!!?!! :police:

L'arriviste · « **Reply #92 on:** July 27, 2012, 20:17 »

I couldn't care less about Andrew, tbh. He wouldn't have been in the sort of shape that would challenge the Contador we all know is going to crush this. He would have struggled round with a pet lip and complained about cold. Or heat. Or lingering health issues.

just some guy · « **Reply #93 on:** July 28, 2012, 20:35 »

Quote from: jobiwan on July 27, 2012, 15:28

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-schleck-out-of-vuelta-a-espana

Instead he's racing in Colorado, Canada, Worlds, and China.
Colorado starts at the same time as the Vuelta. Why not race the Vuelta?!?!

Money - Colorado will be paying big

just some guy · « **Reply #94 on:** August 07, 2012, 08:01 »

podcast in Eng on the vuelta

http://revistadesdelacuneta.com/tengopagina.php?page=DLC%20RADIO

just some guy · « **Reply #95 on:** August 13, 2012, 09:35 »

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Miguel Indurain and Kukuxumusu collaborate in designing a shirt for the start of the Vuelta

The Drawing Factory Kukuxumusu and Miguel Indurain have teamed up to design a shirt, on the occasion of the departure of the Tour of Spain from Pamplona, which will take place on August 18 and whose last leg of the first stage will run along the path confinement.

The design shows a curious rider on the street closure Estafeta of Pamplona, which will start the bike race this year, which itself Indurain, who heads the squad wearing a jersey with the No. 1, disputed the career with a bulls-cyclists who rammed all runners that are put forward.

Navarre cyclist, winner of the Tour de France 5 times in a row and the Giro d'Italia in two others wanted to participate in this project giving his opinion on the design of the garment and the creation of the drawing, in addition to providing a phrase complete the design by Kukuxumusu, "Excite people is the most beautiful to be there before."

The shirt is red and is available in the official shops bull in unisex, women's and children at a price of 19.50 euros for adults and 14 children.

Source: Department of Communication Kukuxumuxu

** In the photo, along with Miguel Indurain, you can see Bidaurreta Gonzalo Dominguez, founding partner of Kukuxumusu.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=54373

just some guy · « **Reply #96 on:** August 14, 2012, 11:37 »

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/vaughters-taps-talansky-for-vuelta-leadership_234480

just some guy · « **Reply #97 on:** August 15, 2012, 11:23 »

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12636/Ballan-and-Gilbert-targeting-stages-in-Vuelta-a-Espana.aspx

I am interested in how bookwalter goes - good engine can climb ok will hate any change of pace, but a good battler

Dancing on the Pedals · « **Reply #98 on:** August 15, 2012, 15:20 »

Sandbagging, or a genuine threat?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-froome-will-be-tough-to-beat-at-the-vuelta

Havetts · « **Reply #99 on:** August 15, 2012, 15:48 »

Sandbagging.

froome19 · « **Reply #100 on:** August 15, 2012, 18:31 »

Quote from: Dancing on the Pedals on August 15, 2012, 15:20

Sandbagging, or a genuine threat?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-froome-will-be-tough-to-beat-at-the-vuelta

Likely Sandbagging mostly, mainly convering all basis if he does get beaten.

just some guy · « **Reply #101 on:** August 15, 2012, 19:11 »

Contador is aways great re others in the press

sandbagging

The Hitch · « **Reply #102 on:** August 15, 2012, 19:13 »

Quote from: froome19 on August 15, 2012, 18:31

Likely Sandbagging mostly, mainly convering all basis if he does get beaten.

Theres no bases to cover. Everyone expects Contador to smash all, and no one will remember this interview if he loses.

Contador always hypes other riders in races. Always seemed more like humility to me than sandbagging. For instance before the Giro Bjarne was talking about how Contador was in form like never before, and Contador didnt deny it, but when it came to talking about the other contenders, he paid them respect, even saying Kreuziger was a potential rival and naming everyone he could.

Even going into smaller races like PN or even San Luis Contador will also play up rivals.

Here he is doing the same. He is not sandbagging because in all those interviews he was talking about how hard he trained, how he broke those records, how he recconed every stage. If he wanted to sandbag he would have done jack all in Eneco and said in his interviews that he wasnt going so well in training etc.

But all he is doing here is saying Froome is good. He doesnt even say Froome is the favorite he just says Froome is hard to beat. Just like Scarponi and Nibali and KReuziger were going to be hard to beat in the Giro. (Not that Froome wont do better just that its what Contador always says)

Similarly he will go into next years Tour, and even if he thinks he can do a 36 minute alpe, and wins dauphine by 15 minutes, he will still say that Andy and Froome and Evans and Wiggins will be hard to beat.

Besides Contador doesnt really need anyone to underestimate him. What he does is drop everyone in the mtfs whether they think he is good or not.

And he knows no matter what he says it wont work anyway. If they couldnt let go of his wheel when he was 5 mins down with 2 mountains to go in the Tour, they never ever will.

just some guy · « **Reply #103 on:** August 15, 2012, 19:41 »

velonews people to watch

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/the-men-to-watch-in-the-2012-vuelta-a-espana_234566

froome19 · « **Reply #104 on:** August 15, 2012, 20:14 »

I may be wrong but after just recently making his comeback, I would assume Contador would be a bit apprehensive about certainly winning the Vuelta in peerless fashion.

jobiwan · « **Reply #105 on:** August 15, 2012, 20:22 »

Quote from: froome19 on August 15, 2012, 20:14

I may be wrong but after just recently making his comeback, I would assume Contador would be a bit apprehensive about certainly winning the Vuelta in peerless fashion.

Nope, this is all about revenge. No prisoners. No gifts. One mighty warning ahead of next year's Tour.

just some guy · « **Reply #106 on:** August 15, 2012, 20:40 »

Quote from: jobiwan on August 15, 2012, 20:22

Nope, this is all about revenge. No prisoners. No gifts. One mighty warning ahead of next year's Tour.

Correct, he has anger in the belly

BYOP · « **Reply #107 on:** August 15, 2012, 20:50 »

Quote from: just some guy on August 15, 2012, 20:40

Correct, he has anger in the belly

And how does that work out for cyclists? The last one who had fire in his belly has sucked for 2 years!

froome19 · « **Reply #108 on:** August 15, 2012, 21:52 »

Quote from: The Hitch on August 15, 2012, 19:13

Contador always hypes other riders in races. Always seemed more like humility to me

So first Contador is very humble and meak...

Quote from: just some guy on August 15, 2012, 20:40

Correct, he has anger in the belly

Quote from: jobiwan on August 15, 2012, 20:22

Nope, this is all about revenge. No prisoners. No gifts. One mighty warning ahead of next year's Tour.

And then he seems to be full of anger and revenge.... :-\

jobiwan · « **Reply #109 on:** August 15, 2012, 21:55 »

Quote from: froome19 on August 15, 2012, 21:52

So first Contador is very humble and meak...And then he seems to be full of anger and revenge.... :-\

He's a nice young fellow off the bike, but on it he's a dangerous force of monumental destruction and domination that's been forced into exile by the cycling world, but now he returns to pillage, plunder and destroy the hopes and dreams of any potential conquerors in one magnificent, almighty attack. It's quite easy to understand.

The Hitch · « **Reply #110 on:** August 15, 2012, 22:47 »

Quote from: froome19 on August 15, 2012, 21:52

So first Contador is very humble and meak...And then he seems to be full of anger and revenge.... :-\

The anger in the belly thing is a running joke. Its what Andy said post Port de Bailes in 2010.

Contador on the bike wants to win, he wouldnt be a proffesional if he didnt. But off the bike he is very respectful and friendly with his competitors, even Levi at San luis for example where he said Levi was a tremendous rider who could even at 38 challenge for the Tour.

Contador is not alone in that of course, plenty of riders are like that, Indurain being perhaps the greatest example, and given how much Contador looks up to Indurain, it could be from him that he learnt to behave that way.

But it is imo a positive among riders if they respect their competitors, rather than saying stuff like ""Christian's a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on" or "ive got nothing against Sastre but the Tour was a joke"

Havetts · « **Reply #111 on:** August 16, 2012, 00:12 »

Quote from: Andrew Hood

A Vuelta win would catapult them to superstar status in Holland, which hasn’t won a grand tour since Joop Zoetemelk won the Tour in 1980. Time to refocus, boys, the Vuelta is there for the taking. Forget the Tour.

Holy sh*t, finally a journalist who sees the reality. Now just the Rabobank management team need to stop catering to whoever reads the flipping Televaag and Volkskrant and do whats smart, and not just throw people at the Tour but make their GC riders ride other things than the Tour only.

p.s. the Rabosport image for the two GC men.. ;D

ram · « **Reply #112 on:** August 16, 2012, 16:02 »

Quote from: froome19 on August 15, 2012, 21:52

So first Contador is very humble and meak...And then he seems to be full of anger and revenge.... :-\

No worries, he's not genuine to the media. You get less platitudes from an English footballer in the run up to a tournament.

How good it is to have some bone idle masturbators thrown in there ;D Give something to talk about and someone to criticise.

ram · « **Reply #113 on:** August 16, 2012, 16:47 »

That said, what a flipping fine rider and would've made racing this year better.

barrus · « **Reply #114 on:** August 16, 2012, 16:50 »

Quote from: Havetts on August 16, 2012, 00:12

Holy sh*t, finally a journalist who sees the reality. Now just the Rabobank management team need to stop catering to whoever reads the flipping Televaag and Volkskrant and do whats smart, and not just throw people at the Tour but make their GC riders ride other things than the Tour only.

p.s. the Rabosport image for the two GC men.. ;D

Problem is that if Rabo had any sense whatsoever tehy would have realized this long ago, or at least during last years giro where after a win a Rabo guy was holding the pink for a few days (with no chance of winning, mind you), the Giro was as big as the tour, even in "papers" such as the Telegraaf. Even the exploits of Kruijswijk in the last week, with the chance of pink for a raborider completely vanished, ensured that there was significant hype and a lot of attention for the giro.

Sadly though I doubt Rabo will ever see this and send top talent, with a chance of taking a win or something, to the Giro or Vuelta if this would mean they would not peak at the tour, where they won't be able to do anything at all, at best a possible top 5 or top 10 place, and a single stage win by Lulu, their saving grace for the second year in a row

froome19 · « **Reply #115 on:** August 16, 2012, 18:58 »

Interview with Froome:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-prepares-to-do-battle-in-vuelta-a-espana

He is a bit unsure as he says:

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"It's interesting, exciting. I personally don't know how I'm going to be in terms of form. I might go to the second stage and say 'this is too tough' or or I might say, ‘I've got the legs, let's carry on."

Yet he also says:

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"It's been a long season, but I feel like I'm in good physical condition. More importantly I have a strong team behind me, there are several riders in the team that could be in the top 10 in Madrid."

So I guess we will just have to wait and see how things pan out...

The Hitch · « **Reply #116 on:** August 16, 2012, 21:10 »

Quote from: froome19 on August 16, 2012, 18:58

Interview with Froome:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-prepares-to-do-battle-in-vuelta-a-espana

He is a bit unsure as he says:
Yet he also says:
So I guess we will just have to wait and see how things pan out...

As ive been saying all along, froome will find it difficult to do 2 gts.

Dancing on the Pedals · « **Reply #117 on:** August 17, 2012, 10:58 »

Gesink: "I think it’s the most difficult parcour I’ve seen in a grand tour ever since I’ve been a bike rider"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gesink-this-vuelta-is-the-hardest-race-ive-seen

Dancing on the Pedals · « **Reply #118 on:** August 17, 2012, 11:07 »

CN's take on the likely challengers. http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/top-ten-picks-for-the-vuelta-a-espana

I like how they introduce Quintana;

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We could and probably should have included Alejandro Valverde but quite honestly we’re more excited about the 22-year-old climber than the aging former winner.

Interesting that they say Froome needs to win in order to creditably challenge Wiggins for Tour leadership next year. If he gets 2nd behind Contador, that's still a pretty impressive performance. If he has anything like his Tour form in him still, I think he can be fairly close to Contador, and will be interesting to see how he gets on being undisputed leader for the first time in a GT.

Slow Rider · « **Reply #119 on:** August 17, 2012, 11:17 »

Quote from: Dancing on the Pedals on August 17, 2012, 10:58

Gesink: "I think it’s the most difficult parcour I’ve seen in a grand tour ever since I’ve been a bike rider"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gesink-this-vuelta-is-the-hardest-race-ive-seen

There was an article in the Volkskrant newspaper today about Mollema too. It seems Mollema is very focused, I think he'll do much better than Gesink.

Article described Mollema as a bit of a weirdo: Martens said he showed signs of autism, mentioned he was completely uninterested in other riders and races he's not performing in, rather preferring to read or talk about other things than cycling. However, they also described him as very focused when he feels well, planning and preparing all details. Apparently he's not much of a leader type, being far too quiet.

Sounds like an interesting fellow anyway.. I hope he'll do well, this Giro seems well suited to his explosiveness and climbing skills.

Edit- for those of you who speak Dutch, the original article: http://postimage.org/image/6o84wvulf/

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