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Re: General Cyclocross News
« Reply #180 on: January 10, 2021, 22:43 »
Nice to see that Anthony Turgis crosses back. 7th today at the Nats. Even Kevin Ledanois and Lilian Calmejane were here. I didn't know that they crossed. Venturini combining both, that's known. I'm also glad for Menut, the farmer.  ;) Cyclocross inspires more and more roadies in France. It would be nice to see Alaphilippe back but I guess he has so many objectives on the road that that would only be wishful thinking. By the way, Steve Chainel still there. I thought he retired long ago.  :o

1. VENTURINI Clément AG2R CITROEN TEAM en 1h03'29''
2. DUBAU Joshua TEAM PELTRAX-CSD 00:12
3. MENUT David CROSS TEAM LEGENDRE 00:36
4. GUILLAUD Valentin LAVAL CYCLISME 53 00:36
5. BOULO Matthieu VC DINANNAIS 01:13
6. GRAS Yan AAA SÖRIUS 01:43
7. TURGIS Anthony TOTAL DIRECT ENERGIE 01:57
8. LEDANOIS Kevin TEAM ARKEA-SAMSIC 02:10
9. CHAMERAT DUMONT Antony VC VILLEFRANCHE BEAUJOLAIS 02:21
10. TROPARDY Arthur CYCLES DARNANVILLE-ADRIS 02:21
11. MORICHON Mathieu TEAM ROYALBIKESHOP.COM 02:33
12. CALMEJANE Lilian AG2R CITROEN TEAM 02:38
13. HUMBERT Valentin TEAM S1NEO-GRAAL-BJORKA 02:44
14. DUBAU Lucas TEAM PELTRAX-CSD 02:57
15. CRISPIN Mickaël CROSS TEAM LEGENDRE 03:12
16. CHAINEL Steve CROSS TEAM LEGENDRE 03:35

Lire la suite : https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/86023/cc-championnat-de-france-elites-hommes-clement-venturini-1er
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #181 on: January 15, 2021, 10:02 »
    https://www.msn.com/fr-be/sport/actualite/fabio-aru-participera-au-championnat-du-monde-de-cyclo-cross/ar-BB1cJ6IN?ocid=msedgntp


    Fabio Aru Will Take Part in the Cyclocross World Championships

    The Italian rider, 2015 Tour of Spain winner, will race the Cycocross Worlds in Ostend as a build-up race for the road season. He's already been 10th at the Nationals in Lecce.

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    The first race with my new team. The most important thing is that I had a lot of fun. I felt like a child racing his first race. It's my passion, it's my sport.

    Aru received permission from his new team Qhubeka-Assos to keep on racing cyclocross in the weeks to come.

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    I'm in without any ambition. I'll resume road racing in February. I'm closely observing Mathieu Van der Poel, Wout Van Aert and Thomas Pidcock, the way they handle it in the fields.

    Aru has also been 5th at a cyclocross in Cremona.





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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #182 on: January 25, 2021, 14:23 »
    Brilliant race in OverIjse yesterday - WVA wins but MVDP so so strong; set fair for Ostend next weekend.  But for these two carrying on Cross Pidcock would be on top of the world!

    Looking forward to world champs and seeing how this competitive cross season on the back of a breakout road year will work for both - I am not as concerned about this as Big Phil!

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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #183 on: January 25, 2021, 19:25 »
    How privileged you are ! I had to miss it.

    If I'm well informed, it's the first time Overijse is a World Cup event. The "Druivencross" ("Grape cross")[1] is most probably the most prestigious of them all in Belgium. In the eighties, its organisers were the driving force behind the creation of the Superprestige which it remained a part of till 2000/2001. From then on, Overijse was known as a lone cross ("een losse cross" they say in Dutch) until yesterday. Still in the noughties, it remained one of the most coveted of all crosses. The one that the top guns really wanted to win. Besides, I think they organised a sort of special challenge, a huge money award for any riders to win 3 times in 5 years or something of the kind. To my knowledge no rider won that special trophy. Nys won three in a row from 2011 to 2013 but I guess that challenge was scrapped by that time. Besides, by the turn of the decade, the regular challenges - World Cup, Superprestige and GvA Trophy (X²O now) - were really growing in importance and top riders started to skip Overijse, every year. So now perhaps, it was necessary to be a part of a regular challenge again but I did like the idea of a cross being so prestigious to stand alone and keep its prestige.

    It would be interesting to see how these riders recover for the Worlds. Until the mid-noughties, the final World Cup event, one week before the Worlds was Wetzikon, Switzerland. I wish I could've seen that because it was a very heavy route and a real classic, remnant of the era when Swiss dominated the sport. Back then there was a saying. He who wins Wetzikon and went all out for it would never recover for the Worlds because the route was so hard. Then, the final World Cup events was set on plan fat routes in the Netherlands, in Pijnacker in 2004 and in Hoogerheide in 2006 (occasionally also in some other places, Milan or Lanarvily but all of these were relatively flat). So it was easier to recover from that. Now Overijse is known as a Swiss like, mountainbike-like route. So let's see how these boys recover. 


    Oh and so eventually, Aru won't race the Worlds but Stybar will : https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/stybar-to-ride-cyclo-cross-worlds/
     1. Overijse is known as a grape place It's just 2k away from where I live  ;)
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #184 on: January 25, 2021, 21:17 »
    Thanks Echoes - very interesting stuff.  Noticed in commentary - so wiki'd it - that it has more editions than years of existence - it seems that from '77-'88 it was raced twice a season - what's is the story there?  A pre and post Xmas pair of races?

    Plus I'd now love to try a glass of Overijse - I'll raise a glass to you echoes when I track a bottle down over here!
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #185 on: January 26, 2021, 08:51 »
    Echoes - do you think Styby has a serious shot at Bronze - I would love to see that - a three time champ rolling back the years and claiming a podium spot?

    On another level - just hope the event goes ahead as planned.
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #186 on: January 26, 2021, 19:46 »
    Thanks Echoes - very interesting stuff.  Noticed in commentary - so wiki'd it - that it has more editions than years of existence - it seems that from '77-'88 it was raced twice a season - what's is the story there?  A pre and post Xmas pair of races?

    Plus I'd now love to try a glass of Overijse - I'll raise a glass to you echoes when I track a bottle down over here!

    Ah yes, Overijse used to be held twice every winter, I don't know why that was but that's how Roland Liboton #rainbow set a record, perhaps for eternity : 16 victories. I don't know if any rider has ever won close 16 times the same race but Liboton did that. I even remember an interview of Mathieu Van der Poel a few years ago. He was asked if he knew who held the record out there and he knew it the whole story.

    On top of my head :

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    Roland Liboton, 16 times. But according to me, it was raced twice a season back then. So if I win it eight times, it's gonna be OK.



     :lol

    Sadly, only one winegrowing family in the Overijse area are still making wine out of their grapes : the Luppens family. Their wine cellar is called "Soniën" (which is probably named after the nearby forest "Zoniënwoud" in Dutch or "Forêt de Soigne" in French) : https://www.sonien.be/. The cellar is especially known for their sparkling wine but they also produce ordinary wine. In the fifties, there were many more Overijse wines, sparkling wine in particular but with the advent of the European integration, they suffered more and more from the competition with French and Italian wine. So now most winegrowers are just selling their grapes as such.




    Echoes - do you think Styby has a serious shot at Bronze - I would love to see that - a three time champ rolling back the years and claiming a podium spot?

    Hardly possible in my opinion. If I'm well informed, Styby hasn't raced a single cross this season. So he would probably lack technical reflexes. In 2014, when he got the title back after being already a full time roadie, he had raced a couple crosses and capitalised on his freshness against cyclocross specialists who had already raced a full season. This time, the season was shortened, so everybody will have save energy for this major event. They will all be fit. And don't forget he'll be far behind at the start.  Besides, if I understand correctly, it was a last minute decision, given the fact that many season-opening road races are threatened to be cancelled. I think it would be a great performance if he makes it into the top10 but it's already nice that he's showing up.
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #187 on: January 26, 2021, 20:03 »
    thanks - very interesting stuff on all matters - and yes wise words on Stybar - I'd forgotten about the grid position on top of everything else!
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #188 on: January 30, 2021, 12:33 »
    Sorry to quote myself, it's not really decent but I thought it was nice to look back to a Gazet van Antwerpen article from 29 September 2016 [from the 2016/2017 Season Preview Thread) :

    Belgian Championship on 8 January will be held in Ostend. For the 100th edition Belgian fed have designed a temp bridge linking the beach to the hippodrome.  :lol



    It's will be the first ever cyclocross nats in Ostend.

    Socialist mayor Johan Vande Lanotte said he did everything to make sure that riders take the beach. Besides, they ambition to organise the Worlds in 2021.

    It will be a 2650m route including 1342m on grass, 480m on the sand, 413m on cinder, 80m on asphalt and 335m on the bridge, the eyecatcher of the route. 8 meters above the railway (I think it must be the coast tram). The finish will be on the hippodrome.

    Paul Herygers claims it's a route for Wout Van Aert who can make use of his power and running capacities. (Well every route are for Wout Van Aert, I guess)

    It's not a real hard route, says the former World Champion but there are hard passages like the one whereby the riders are leaving the beach to take the bridge but it will be a nice championship, he says.

    So it seems they fulfilled their ambition, four year and four months later.  :D I don't know if the route remains roughly the same, let us see. As expected Van Aert won that event quite comfortably but that season, there was no match on him on the Belgian scene. 

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    I don't know if I shared that article. I think it will be previously unreleased. It's from the Krant van West Vlaanderen, 30 September 2016 (Krant van West Vlaanderen is a weekly, published every Friday). I don't have time to translate right now but might come back to it later on







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    What do the West-Flemish riders think about it?

    So Michael Vanthourenhout [then aged 22] was then about to race his 4th Nats (in 2017) and he said that it would be something special because he had never raced on a beach before. He referred to the Zilvermeer in Mol but the Zilvermeer is a lake and a lake beach is not comparable to a sea beach. He thought that the bridge length and the extra vertical meters would be in his favour. In rainy conditions, he thinks that the race would be even harder if only for the fact that the beach sand section would easier rideable.

    Diether Vanthourenhout (by then aged 31 and coming a bit stronger after a disappointing 2015/2016 season) agreed with his younger brother that it was going to be something special. He rather pointed towards the fact that there were a lot of straight line section. He knew the hippodrome quite well as he went there a few years before to visit the cross-country running nationals. He compared the course to the 2014 Waregem Nats (then won Sven Nys of course). He was wondering whether the beach section would be running or riding [as far as I remember, in 2017, they were mostly riding, all of them]. The weather might be the decider and he thinks unlike his brother that in bad weather it would be running on the sand which would be even more in Van Aert's favour than it already is. It would be a hard race anyway.

    Gianni Vermeersch [then 23] was then living 20 km from Ostend [I don't know if he moved house since] and found always fun to race in his own area. His attention was mainly focused on the bridge because the highest bridge they had to cross until then was in Hamme-Zogge but it wasn't higher than 100m. The Bridge in Ostend is 129m ascent (335 m in total). It would be quite an effort, certainly when you keep in mind that you would've just finished a heavy section (the one on the beach).

    Eli Yserbyt [by then a rookie aged 18 agreed with Diether Vanthourenhout that it would be something for the big motors, with a lot of straight line sections. He read that the bridge was 8m above the ground with a 21% gradient and concluded that it would weigh in the finale. He also thought that they might have to run on the beach. A lot will be decided by the weather. If it's freezing cold, it would be a fast speed tactical  cross. He doesn't wish it. If it's rainy, they could ride on the beach but the section on the hippodrome would be hard. He had an appartment on the coast, so he was often riding on the beach. He also compared it to Waregem 2014.

    Klaas Vantornout [meanwhile retired] had also often trained on a beach like in Lombardsijde [that's 15 km West of Ostend, Freddy Maertens hometown as part of Nieeuwpoort] but never raced, which made it something special. With ebb and flow, it's gonna be something rare. Organisers surely had considered that issue. Tyre's choice : slicks as wide as possible but then there's that section on the hippodrome on which he never rode. So it might after all be rhino. The distance between the bridge and the hardest part of the beach is very long. Perhaps it can be ridden through with the necessary speed but this would certainly no longer be possible on the return.


    So the cost for that Belgian Nats was evaluated at 900,000€ (how much more for this year's Worlds?). They expected between 15,000 and 20,000 spectators (I don't know how many actually there had been?), 1,500 VIP's and 2,000 people staying for the night in Ostend. The Hippodrome is named after the Duke of Wellington : "Wellingtonrenbaan"  :lol I didn't know that. The finish on a hippodrome is unique for the spectator to watch. Obviously there's a high screen to follow the race. The organisers of the nats were the cyclocross and road cycling committee Hooglede-Gits - that's the town that organised the 2007 cyclocross Worlds (also in the West Flanders province but much further in the inlands).

    Paul Herygers was co-designer of the route and even though on the GvA article he said it wasn't such a hard route, he also thought that only the strongest could win it and that should've been Wout Van Aert (eventually was).

    The bridge should've been ready on 15 December 2016 (while the nats were raced on 7-8 January 2017) but it was not accessible for the public. There are two lanes on it. It's 6 meters wide altogether. Of course, there can't be any spectators on the bridge but it's equipped with transparent safety nets (1,5 m above the lanes) so that the riders can be seen from the ground.

    An alternative route was planned in case of extreme circumstances such as a hurricane, which occurred only every 25 years on the Belgian coast.

    In history, two cyclocross riders came from Ostend. One is the late Norbert Dedeckere (1948-2015), former amateur World Champion in Prague in 1972 #rainbow and Charles "Charel" [as they named him in the newspaper] Vanhoutte, at that time aged 87 and still alive now at age 91. He was himself Dedeckere's "tutor" and later organiser of the "Noordzeecross" ("North Sea Cross") in Middelkerke, which he himself won in 1963 ahead of international stars such as Renato Longo  or Rolf Wolfshohl and despite that fact, he never was selected for the Worlds, which he's still angry about a half century afterwards.
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #189 on: January 31, 2021, 11:58 »
    I'm really glad for Lucinda Brand. She had been close to the title quite a few times. Now she's got her reward for tenacity.


    This course is so special, I'm fond of it.





    Erwin is still very fit. The small bridge in the hippodrome is one on which he was World Champion (most probably the last title in Hooglede Gits).


    He thinks that the beach section on hard sand will be crucial because at 3pm it will be high tide and depending on the wind, the water could come three meters further on the course. The second beach section after the short passage on the seafront, is hard. They would get into it at 40-45kmh and he thinks the best riders could make it to the bridge on the bike.
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #190 on: January 31, 2021, 20:00 »
    Oh my goodness, what a race !







    Van Aert seemed to have it hand during one lap and a half than had a puncture and had to let Van der Poel take the lead. He could come as close as 3 seconds from Van der Poel but the Dutchman negociated the bridge better and the sand section before the bridge as well. Wout seemed to imply that the puncture cost him the win but I'm pretty sure that Mathieu was in a better shape today. Still two to go for Mathieu to equal Erik De Vlaeminck's record. And I'm pretty confident that Wout will get a new title before the end of his career. Such a great rivalry that is !


    Stybar was indeed very far behind on the start grid, actually dead last and then Michel Wuyts saw him move up to around 15th place on the first ascent of the small bridge (the one in the hippodrome). Then we never got to see him back on screen but he did finish 18th. It's a performance as such because only 20 riders out of 44 made it to the finish and he was one of 'em. Curtis White is the last finisher, the rider who had enough class to share us that route preview video above.

    So 4/4 for the Netherlands ! Hats off for our Northern neighbours !  :cool However in terms of collective presence, Belgium is still there at least in the Men's Elite race. 6 riders in the first 8 ! Of course this is made possible by the sandy route, which is in our favour. A bit like in Koksijde 2012 when Belgium monopolised the 7 first places.


    1   VAN DER POEL   Mathieu   *nl #rainbow   0:58:57
    2   VAN AERT   Wout   *be   0:59:34
    3   AERTS   Toon   *be   1:00:21
    4   PIDCOCK   Thomas   *uk   1:00:34
    5   SWEECK   Laurens   *be   1:01:02
    6   VANTHOURENHOUT   Michael   *be   1:01:11
    7   ISERBYT   Eli   *be   1:01:15
    8   HERMANS   Quinten   *be   1:01:20
    9   VAN DER HAAR   Lars   *nl   1:01:38
    10   NIEUWENHUIS   Joris   *nl   1:02:12
    11   VAN KESSEL   Corne   *nl   1:03:06
    12   VERMEERSCH   Gianni   *be   1:03:18
    13   KUHN   Kevin   *ch   1:03:26
    14   SOETE   Daan   *be   1:03:54
    15   GRAS   Yan   *fr   1:04:08
    16   DUBAU   Joshua   *fr   1:04:25
    17   MERLIER   Tim   *be   1:04:31
    18   ŠTYBAR   Zdeněk   *cz   1:04:39
    19   RÜEGG   Timon   *ch   1:04:47
    20   WHITE   Curtis   *usa   1:05:30
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #191 on: February 01, 2021, 09:12 »
    Yes indeed- what a race!

    I agree with your perspective that even without the puncture MVDP was far from beaten - but that is cyclo-cross, and the luck goes both ways. Special mention to Toon Aerts - brilliant ride and strong commitment to hold off the ongoing charge of Pidcock; but for the two immortals an even greater prize for him.

    I really enjoyed the course - thick sand, riding in the waves; cinder and that fearsome bridge. 

    So honours partially shared - world cup to WVA / Rainbow to MVDP; a good shortened season - and now onto the roads for another season of the road rivalry.
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #192 on: June 09, 2021, 19:45 »


    https://www.rtbf.be/sport/cyclisme/detail_les-championnats-d-europe-de-cyclocross-auront-lieu-a-namur-en-2022?id=10778805

    Namur will organise the next European Championship on 5 November.

    Erwin Vervecken, former three-time World Champion #rainbow, will add a few extras to the regular routes used for the World Cup event of the last few years. He's adding two bridges making loops possible (I'm not fond of that. When they started the race in 2009, Namur was known as a route without any artificial obstacles, I like it better that way) and the section in superelevation which had been made easier in recent years because of a path that had been made will be made harder again, harder to get the right balance.

    It should be this one, shouldn't it?



    Not really found of the European championship. Unnecessary addition to the already heavy calendar but still good for my family town and nice to see that cyclocross racing still exists in Wallonia.
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    Re: General Cyclocross News
    « Reply #193 on: July 21, 2021, 17:05 »
    Really excellent course (unless you are Toon Aerts ribs).

    Love the road race that finishes there too but thats mainly down to riding in online on Tacx and being a Krists Nielands fan!

    Can't wait for cross to start again this season.
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