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Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
« Reply #660 on: June 12, 2021, 22:39 »
I'd say Greipel deserves a final shot at the Tour after his strong comeback this year, but yeah... he'd probably need Zabel & Würtz at his side at least. Don't think him and Hofstetter really fit together - but he obviously has the bonus of being French, and he had a decent Tour last year. Difficult decision indeed. Impey needs a spot as well, I guess...
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #661 on: June 13, 2021, 10:49 »
    Impey crashed hard unfortunately on the final stage of Ruta del Sol. I can't remember what the injury report was, but it's unlikely he'll be available for selection. Otherwise of course he would be a gimme for the team

    Greipel has got those wins recently. His last one was with an impressive looking burst of speed. However the opposition he beat were people having a really bad 2021 - Kristoff, Pedersen and Hodeg. It's a tough one. Even with a decent train, can you see him doing well in chaotic sprints against Nizzolo, WVA, MVDP (or one one of his back-ups), Ewan, Sagan, Demare and somebody from Deceuninck. It's a tough imagine.

    Mind you it's a tough imagine to see Woods doing better than a top-ten in the GC with or without lots of helpers.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #662 on: June 14, 2021, 17:47 »
    Confirmation that Woods will lead the Tour team:
    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1404449847894237187
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #663 on: June 18, 2021, 11:57 »
    seems like he'll end up with basically no support at all, though. Woods, Froome, Martin, Hollenstein, Boivin, Greipel, Zabel are confirmed now, and in all likelihood the final rider will be one of the Israelis
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #664 on: June 18, 2021, 20:09 »
    Goldstein was announced a day or two ago. So this is the eight:



    Would have liked to have seen Neilands in there as he could have helped Greipel and Woods, but maybe he just isn't ready.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #665 on: June 19, 2021, 19:39 »
     :lol

    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1406167840579858433




    On closer inspection it's maybe not too much of a surprise. Neither Einhorn or Sagiv have raced much this year and obviously need some miles in their legs and Niv, who tried to go solo, just isn't the type of racer you need for this course.

    Chapeau Vlad! :cool
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #666 on: June 19, 2021, 20:29 »
    Is there any other cycling team in the world that would consider to necessary to mention the religion/ethnicity of their escapee rider?
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #667 on: June 20, 2021, 18:15 »
    They do like to mention it, but tbh I had never heard of them before his signing for the team, so that has led me (and maybe others?) to wiki them etc and find out a little about them. Quite a large diaspora in Venezuela of all places.

    It's worth noting that since they are now U23, this year will be the last for Ben Moshe and Abu Fares.

    SAF won't have done his chances any harm with his second yesterday. He also did pretty well in the recent Volta a Castello. Ben Moshe has had more racing and chances with the main team, but hasn't done much to show he's worthy of a spot next year.

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    Please get to know: the new Israeli champion Vlad Logionov.

    I understand that everyone is a bit shocked but the truth is that I came to the race with a plan to surprise them and win. I knew that Startup Nation Quartet would tactically guard each other and not cooperate - and I could take advantage of that. And that's exactly what happened. '

    In this respect he is right. The balance of terror between the four professionals of Israel Start but Nation played right into his hands.

    'I knew there was no way I was going to stay with them until the end. I had no chance, 'said Logionov. "I had to run away from them." That's exactly what he did. In the end, he waged a fight against the young Sanad Abu Fares - and won the sprint.

    "I have immense respect for the start-up professionals," Logionov said. 'But I took advantage of the rivalry to my advantage. Now my dream is to try to get a professional contract myself. '
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #668 on: June 20, 2021, 22:22 »
    Israel start-up nation #israel has had really bad luck with their stage race hopefuls, or if you can call Chris Froome hopeful anymore it is hard to tell, but at least they were hopeful for him when they signed him. His pre-race crash in the Dauphine 2 years ago now was a real disaster. Less well known is the story of Carl Fredrik Hagen, who might have had a bright year with more opportunities if not for his crash while training this winter. I only recently, while watching the nationals here in Norway, learned more about how bad it was. Basically he dislocated his shoulder (It was somewhere down on his chest, he said) but more likely, without details being provided, a lot of soft tissue damage must have come with it. Status is, he has only recently been able to grab the handlebars with his arms and maybe he is cycling just a little bit now. It is still going to be a long way back, unfortunately. I haven't bothered checking his contract status but if he is on a 1-year deal I doubt he'll ever race for the ISN team.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #669 on: June 25, 2021, 07:55 »
    From a Ben Hermans interview in Het Belang von Limburg today (after winning Giro dell'Appennino yesterday):

    "I had already decided in December not to do a Grand Tour this year. Instead I try to enjoy myself, and fight for the win in smaller (stage) races. And I sticked to that decision. Winning in Lugano next Sunday will be more difficult, though. It's constantly up and down, with shorter hills that in the Giro dell'Appennino. So that doesn't suit me too well. However, there's no lack of motivation of course. From July 14 to 18 I will do the Giro di Sardegna then, after which I'll head to an altitude camp in Livigno to prepare for the block of racing afterwards, starting with the Tour de Pologne, till Tour of Britain in September."
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #670 on: June 25, 2021, 13:30 »
    LB -odds strongly against Froome making it to Paris?
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #671 on: June 25, 2021, 19:14 »
    If he doesn't crash or get ill, I don't see why he won't make it to Paris. Top-50 75 is a possibility. :-x

    Anyway he needs the racing and we saw at the Vuelta last year that he did improve as the race went on. Not enough to be a game-changer for Carapaz, but something like that in the last week is the most that can be hoped for here.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #672 on: July 16, 2021, 10:11 »
    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1415945572469690369

    In other news the devo team start the second half of their season today at the Trofeu Joaquim Agostinho.

    I would have hoped for a few more race days for the riders by now. The Baby Giro invite didn't materialize, they're not at Aosta which also starts today and there's no place for the Israeli National team at l'Avenir. Training camps are all very good, but they need to be racing the other U23 teams on a more regular basis.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #673 on: July 17, 2021, 18:27 »
    In other news the devo team start the second half of their season today at the Trofeu Joaquim Agostinho.

    Holy smokes! They won a stage.

    https://twitter.com/helenadias_/status/1416432333616467970

    Helena Dias is as surprised as I am. Things are going well in Italy too, which makes up somewhat for what's been going on (or not been going on) in France.

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    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1416352042394791936

    There are rumours of Cimolai moving on, will Hofstetter be happy to stay after his TdF snub and now we know Andre is retiring a year early. The team could be left with a pared down sprint dept in 2022 (about time I hear everybody say).

    Barbier, Jones and Einhorn would be very weak though. There are plenty of faster guys for reduced sprints (Bevin, Impey, MWS or even Vanmarcke), but I think somebody else would have to come in to take a bit of the strain. Answers on a postcard please.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #674 on: July 18, 2021, 07:10 »
    The team could be left with a pared down sprint dept in 2022 (about time I hear everybody say).
    :lol

    Viviani is out of contract at #cofidis, and the team management may want to let him go after realising it was not (only) Viviani that won all those sprints at Quick Step, but just as much (if not more so) the lead-out train. ;)
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #675 on: July 18, 2021, 21:59 »
    :lol

    Viviani is out of contract at #cofidis, and the team management may want to let him go after realising it was not (only) Viviani that won all those sprints at Quick Step, but just as much (if not more so) the lead-out train. ;)

    Thankfully that boat looks to have sailed as he's been heavily linked with Eolo. Somebody who might still be wanting to break the TdF stage wins record would also be a very bad idea I feel. Adams would probably love it though.

    I had been thinking that Ewan could be a target for the year after, so they might just end up sticking with what they have in the sprint dept for next season or at most picking up an older stop-gap.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #676 on: July 18, 2021, 23:55 »
    Somebody who might still be wanting to break the TdF stage wins record would also be a very bad idea I feel. Adams would probably love it though.
    That would be absolute :fp territory.
    Has #israel ever had a working lead-out train to speak of? I can't remember it ever happening - at best, they had 2-4 sprinters in the same race who might or might not have found each other in the final.
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