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Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
« Reply #660 on: June 12, 2021, 22:39 »
I'd say Greipel deserves a final shot at the Tour after his strong comeback this year, but yeah... he'd probably need Zabel & Würtz at his side at least. Don't think him and Hofstetter really fit together - but he obviously has the bonus of being French, and he had a decent Tour last year. Difficult decision indeed. Impey needs a spot as well, I guess...
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #661 on: June 13, 2021, 10:49 »
    Impey crashed hard unfortunately on the final stage of Ruta del Sol. I can't remember what the injury report was, but it's unlikely he'll be available for selection. Otherwise of course he would be a gimme for the team

    Greipel has got those wins recently. His last one was with an impressive looking burst of speed. However the opposition he beat were people having a really bad 2021 - Kristoff, Pedersen and Hodeg. It's a tough one. Even with a decent train, can you see him doing well in chaotic sprints against Nizzolo, WVA, MVDP (or one one of his back-ups), Ewan, Sagan, Demare and somebody from Deceuninck. It's a tough imagine.

    Mind you it's a tough imagine to see Woods doing better than a top-ten in the GC with or without lots of helpers.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #662 on: June 14, 2021, 17:47 »
    Confirmation that Woods will lead the Tour team:
    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1404449847894237187
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #663 on: June 18, 2021, 11:57 »
    seems like he'll end up with basically no support at all, though. Woods, Froome, Martin, Hollenstein, Boivin, Greipel, Zabel are confirmed now, and in all likelihood the final rider will be one of the Israelis
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #664 on: June 18, 2021, 20:09 »
    Goldstein was announced a day or two ago. So this is the eight:



    Would have liked to have seen Neilands in there as he could have helped Greipel and Woods, but maybe he just isn't ready.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #665 on: June 19, 2021, 19:39 »
     :lol

    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1406167840579858433




    On closer inspection it's maybe not too much of a surprise. Neither Einhorn or Sagiv have raced much this year and obviously need some miles in their legs and Niv, who tried to go solo, just isn't the type of racer you need for this course.

    Chapeau Vlad! :cool
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #666 on: June 19, 2021, 20:29 »
    Is there any other cycling team in the world that would consider to necessary to mention the religion/ethnicity of their escapee rider?
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #667 on: June 20, 2021, 18:15 »
    They do like to mention it, but tbh I had never heard of them before his signing for the team, so that has led me (and maybe others?) to wiki them etc and find out a little about them. Quite a large diaspora in Venezuela of all places.

    It's worth noting that since they are now U23, this year will be the last for Ben Moshe and Abu Fares.

    SAF won't have done his chances any harm with his second yesterday. He also did pretty well in the recent Volta a Castello. Ben Moshe has had more racing and chances with the main team, but hasn't done much to show he's worthy of a spot next year.

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    Please get to know: the new Israeli champion Vlad Logionov.

    I understand that everyone is a bit shocked but the truth is that I came to the race with a plan to surprise them and win. I knew that Startup Nation Quartet would tactically guard each other and not cooperate - and I could take advantage of that. And that's exactly what happened. '

    In this respect he is right. The balance of terror between the four professionals of Israel Start but Nation played right into his hands.

    'I knew there was no way I was going to stay with them until the end. I had no chance, 'said Logionov. "I had to run away from them." That's exactly what he did. In the end, he waged a fight against the young Sanad Abu Fares - and won the sprint.

    "I have immense respect for the start-up professionals," Logionov said. 'But I took advantage of the rivalry to my advantage. Now my dream is to try to get a professional contract myself. '
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #668 on: June 20, 2021, 22:22 »
    Israel start-up nation #israel has had really bad luck with their stage race hopefuls, or if you can call Chris Froome hopeful anymore it is hard to tell, but at least they were hopeful for him when they signed him. His pre-race crash in the Dauphine 2 years ago now was a real disaster. Less well known is the story of Carl Fredrik Hagen, who might have had a bright year with more opportunities if not for his crash while training this winter. I only recently, while watching the nationals here in Norway, learned more about how bad it was. Basically he dislocated his shoulder (It was somewhere down on his chest, he said) but more likely, without details being provided, a lot of soft tissue damage must have come with it. Status is, he has only recently been able to grab the handlebars with his arms and maybe he is cycling just a little bit now. It is still going to be a long way back, unfortunately. I haven't bothered checking his contract status but if he is on a 1-year deal I doubt he'll ever race for the ISN team.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #669 on: June 25, 2021, 07:55 »
    From a Ben Hermans interview in Het Belang von Limburg today (after winning Giro dell'Appennino yesterday):

    "I had already decided in December not to do a Grand Tour this year. Instead I try to enjoy myself, and fight for the win in smaller (stage) races. And I sticked to that decision. Winning in Lugano next Sunday will be more difficult, though. It's constantly up and down, with shorter hills that in the Giro dell'Appennino. So that doesn't suit me too well. However, there's no lack of motivation of course. From July 14 to 18 I will do the Giro di Sardegna then, after which I'll head to an altitude camp in Livigno to prepare for the block of racing afterwards, starting with the Tour de Pologne, till Tour of Britain in September."
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #670 on: June 25, 2021, 13:30 »
    LB -odds strongly against Froome making it to Paris?
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #671 on: June 25, 2021, 19:14 »
    If he doesn't crash or get ill, I don't see why he won't make it to Paris. Top-50 75 is a possibility. :-x

    Anyway he needs the racing and we saw at the Vuelta last year that he did improve as the race went on. Not enough to be a game-changer for Carapaz, but something like that in the last week is the most that can be hoped for here.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #672 on: July 16, 2021, 10:11 »
    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1415945572469690369

    In other news the devo team start the second half of their season today at the Trofeu Joaquim Agostinho.

    I would have hoped for a few more race days for the riders by now. The Baby Giro invite didn't materialize, they're not at Aosta which also starts today and there's no place for the Israeli National team at l'Avenir. Training camps are all very good, but they need to be racing the other U23 teams on a more regular basis.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #673 on: July 17, 2021, 18:27 »
    In other news the devo team start the second half of their season today at the Trofeu Joaquim Agostinho.

    Holy smokes! They won a stage.

    https://twitter.com/helenadias_/status/1416432333616467970

    Helena Dias is as surprised as I am. Things are going well in Italy too, which makes up somewhat for what's been going on (or not been going on) in France.

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    There are rumours of Cimolai moving on, will Hofstetter be happy to stay after his TdF snub and now we know Andre is retiring a year early. The team could be left with a pared down sprint dept in 2022 (about time I hear everybody say).

    Barbier, Jones and Einhorn would be very weak though. There are plenty of faster guys for reduced sprints (Bevin, Impey, MWS or even Vanmarcke), but I think somebody else would have to come in to take a bit of the strain. Answers on a postcard please.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #674 on: July 18, 2021, 07:10 »
    The team could be left with a pared down sprint dept in 2022 (about time I hear everybody say).
    :lol

    Viviani is out of contract at #cofidis, and the team management may want to let him go after realising it was not (only) Viviani that won all those sprints at Quick Step, but just as much (if not more so) the lead-out train. ;)
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #675 on: July 18, 2021, 21:59 »
    :lol

    Viviani is out of contract at #cofidis, and the team management may want to let him go after realising it was not (only) Viviani that won all those sprints at Quick Step, but just as much (if not more so) the lead-out train. ;)

    Thankfully that boat looks to have sailed as he's been heavily linked with Eolo. Somebody who might still be wanting to break the TdF stage wins record would also be a very bad idea I feel. Adams would probably love it though.

    I had been thinking that Ewan could be a target for the year after, so they might just end up sticking with what they have in the sprint dept for next season or at most picking up an older stop-gap.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #676 on: July 18, 2021, 23:55 »
    Somebody who might still be wanting to break the TdF stage wins record would also be a very bad idea I feel. Adams would probably love it though.
    That would be absolute :fp territory.
    Has #israel ever had a working lead-out train to speak of? I can't remember it ever happening - at best, they had 2-4 sprinters in the same race who might or might not have found each other in the final.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #677 on: August 03, 2021, 18:40 »
    I had been thinking that Ewan could be a target for the year after, so they might just end up sticking with what they have in the sprint dept for next season or at most picking up an older stop-gap.

    https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1422552335360962574

    Ewan extends with Lotto till the end of 2024, but surely he'll have a clause in his contract if the team does drop down to PCT.

    In other news, Renard looks to be heading to Cofidis. A mistake I fear. He (along with Vahtra) hasn't really been given a fair crack of the whip in his time with the team.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #678 on: August 07, 2021, 20:25 »
    Nice win for Hermans today. :cool

    https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1423555533265645570

    He doesn't know what is happening yet re: his future.

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    “I wouldn't know where other teams are doing so much better. Okay, the top teams with a bigger budget may be able to support their riders a little more professionally, but at Israel Start-Up Nation they don't do that badly. The environment in which to perform is also good. There is no great pressure. They can also live with a place of honor. And if I don't ride a prize once, it's because I've had bad luck or I'm sick. They show understanding for that.”

    “If I want to adjust my program, they are open to it. No, you don't hear me complaining. Can I end my career there? That's another question. That is always possible. But I'm 35. I don't think a two-year contract is enough. It is always possible, as soon as I feel that I can no longer win races, I stop. But I'm not going to assume that today."

    In another interview after today's victory he echoed some earlier thoughts about being happy riding "nice little races" like ARoN and not being overly bothered about riding GTs and chasing a stage win.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #679 on: August 11, 2021, 20:00 »
    Still no announcements for the Vuelta, and I'd guess two from the provisional lists (Hagen, injured? and Hermans, no GT this year) won't be around. What's Greipel up to these days? ;)
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #680 on: August 11, 2021, 21:05 »
    What's Greipel up to these days? ;)

    Sitting on a beach according to instagram. :onfire1

    It's gonna be an odds and sods team no matter which way you look at it.

    MWS and Vanmarcke are in good form, but I haven't looked at any profiles to see if there are any stages which suit them. Cimo should be the sprinter as Barbier has said he's riding in the French track championships. Einhorn might get a look in. Climbers will be Piccoli and Berwick?

    Woods surely won't be riding since he just became a father again. Neilands had back issues in Burgos and maybe that's what the hold-up is. Will he be fit in time?
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #681 on: August 11, 2021, 21:34 »
    Still no announcements for the Vuelta, and I'd guess two from the provisional lists (Hagen, injured? and Hermans, no GT this year) won't be around. What's Greipel up to these days? ;)

    The TV2 commentaries dureing Arctic Race said #israel Hagen was out of question for the Vuelta. He might try a shorter duration race.
    Really bad luck for both Hagen and the team to miss out on the entire season when it turned out that Froome wasn't the GT captain anymore. It was the perfect opportunity for him but both physically and in terms of role within the team, he might never get back to right where he was when he flipped over on a training ride more or less a stone throw from home that he had done sooo many times before ;(

    Staying concetrated and keeping those wheels on the ground whatever happens is so important in cycling, must be #israe Israels's lesson learned from this. (Although they signed Froome after the accident, so technically it is not on their acount.)
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #682 on: August 13, 2021, 12:00 »
    He still should get his chances in 2022.

    The team have said they won't be buying a GC rider this year (but you never know), Froome still won't be a GT captain, Woods will do Tour and Vuelta imo, Hermans ain't so keen on GTs, Martin might not be with the team and that leaves the Giro free at least.

    Now what his actual level is, is another matter. Pre or post-injury. I remain to be convinced.

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    After a shaky start to the Volta (the entire team finished over 30 mins down on stage 4), there have been some excellent results from Hollyman and Mackellar. Nothing from the Israelis though. Hopefully the aforementioned duo can do something on the remaining two normal stages.

    I have to hold my hands up and say that I didn't really expect much from Mackellar with the team. Those pictures of him looking like a total EF wannabe scruff put me off and the fact that his Dad is rather rich I think, had me jumping to conclusions.

    Neither is ready for the move to WT yet imo (none of the devo team is), but the Brit might get the chance if there is enough room. It'll help attract other future talents if they see people making the jump.

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    No Israel team at l'Avenir which starts today, but the team does have some representation. Plamondon and Boucek are riding for their respective countries.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #683 on: August 15, 2021, 12:06 »
    Cimo should be the sprinter as Barbier has said he's riding in the French track championships. Einhorn might get a look in.

    In the pre-stage interview, Cimo just said that they will ride for the "young Israeli" today. He will try to position him on Demare's back wheel, as #groupama has the best train, in his opinion.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #684 on: August 15, 2021, 12:36 »
    I think he was 250-1 yesterday evening when I checked. Might have been worth a bob or two.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #685 on: August 19, 2021, 18:16 »
    Not a great start to the Vuelta.

    They seem determined not to give Cimolai a chance. Fair enough, let Einhorn have a go on stage 2, but then on stage 4, which looked on paper very good for the Italian, they went with Vanmarcke instead.

    The second disappointment is that they could not get anyone in the break for either of the two break winning stages so far. To be fair Piccoli, Berwick and Niv aren't built to get in breaks on the flat, but neither are some of the guys from other teams who did manage it. Tomorrow's climb fest might prove a bit easier in that respect.

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    Some transfer out news/rumours this week.

    Cimolai and Renard are both heading to Cofidis and Hofstetter is rumoured to Arkea.

    I'm disappointed that each are leaving to varying degrees. Renard especially is just starting to bloom with some nice performances. Hofstetter had his place in semi-classics and you could rely on him for top 5-10 with minimal help in most sprints.

    Cimolai was a bit of an enigma. He always seemed to do great lead-outs when in the Italian national jersey, but I can't remember too many good ones in the I-SUN one. Maybe he never got the chance to build a rapport with the designated sprinter. I would have paired him with Barbier for 90% of their races (Cimo leads out on flat days and then has his own opportunity on slightly hillier days), but that didn't seem to happen.

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    Transfers In?

    Fuglsang is the only rumour I have seen recently.

    I was thinking Sciotti might like the team to keep up it's quota of Italian riders. Nizzolo and Colbrelli immediately jump out as names to fill the void left by the transfers out. I'd love Sonny, but although he was linked with Astana much earlier in the year, why would he leave Bahrain when things are going so well there. Nizzolo would appear much more available.

    Tbh it's not too easy to find realistic targets who would bring something to the team (with the emphasis on realistic - though a big enough salary can make anything possible). Maybe Van den Berg (going well in l'Avenir) who Groupama don't seem to want or Livyns (friendly with Vanmarcke).
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #686 on: August 25, 2021, 13:02 »
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #687 on: August 26, 2021, 20:09 »
    https://twitter.com/TeamIsraelSUN/status/1430918504857935880

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    I got a new TT bike last week in Andorra at the training camp and I really wanted to give it my all to test the material.
    I tested them only a couple of times before the race but I guess Factor did a great job with this new bike.

    Okay he wasn't beating big names, but the other riders that make up the top-5 are no mugs.

    Maybe the new bike will be as good as advertised.

    Unfortunately Brandle crashed out yesterday in the same race while in an excellent GC position. He'd have been odds on to win the whole thing otherwise. He had a tenth recently in Pologne on the new bike, but that was against much tougher opposition and he was only ~30s down on the winner.


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    Over in Spain the team actually made it into the break (with Berwick) for the first (?) time in the race. Piccoli also managed to hang onto the front group.

    You got to take these small crumbs of comfort some time.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #688 on: September 04, 2021, 05:29 »
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #689 on: September 07, 2021, 07:44 »
    Okay he wasn't beating big names, but the other riders that make up the top-5 are no mugs.

    Maybe the new bike will be as good as advertised.

    some more from Hermans intoday's Het Belang van Limburg, after he was nominated for the #teambe Mixed TTT:

    "I've never done specific time trial training blocks. Nor a wind tunnel test to determine the perfect position for myself. Maybe I can do that when I get older (laughs). Especially now, as Factor has delivered a top notch bike. After my BMC years, I have always struggled to reach the Top 10, although my watt values were high. Now with the new bike, I immediately won."
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