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Re: Operation Aderlass
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2019, 18:03 »
Patrick Müller has just retired too.

he is Swiss, and never did the Tour. And I wouldn't really call him an "established pro" either!? (in case you are talking about the Swiss doper who wasn't named yet)

Fröhlinger announced his retirement a month ago or so.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #61 on: December 22, 2019, 18:07 »
    he is Swiss, and never did the Tour. And I wouldn't really call him an "established pro" either!? (in case you are talking about the Swiss doper who wasn't named yet)

    Fröhlinger announced his retirement a month ago or so.

    Yes, I was referring to him as the Swiss. 2 1/2 years as a pro.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #62 on: December 22, 2019, 18:44 »
    Yes, I was referring to him as the Swiss. 2 1/2 years as a pro.
    The Swiss guy could just as well be a non-cyclist - and very likely is.


    As to who the German riders are, it would be tempting to look at Mark Schmidt being from Erfurt and Kittel, Martin, Degenkolb, and Schachmann also being from Erfurt.
    However, if Kittel were in any way involved in this, it would have been incredibly brazen to post something like this on his website back in March.
    You could argue that he doth protest too much, but I think it's unlikely that he is involved.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #63 on: December 22, 2019, 19:31 »
    I’d think this was an personal introduction job rather than nipping in to see Dr Schmidt because he’s advertised his ‘preparation services’ in the local paper.

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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #64 on: December 22, 2019, 19:35 »
    apparently the doping treatments of the German riders took place in 2012 and 2013:

    https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/erfurter-dopingaffaere-zwei-weitere-deutsche-athleten-im.1346.de.html?dram:article_id=466552

    so this slims down the list quite a bit further
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #65 on: December 22, 2019, 19:42 »
    Deutschland Funk starring Thomas Müller.

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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #66 on: December 23, 2019, 01:55 »
    so if the ARD is correct, one of the names from the upper list and one from that at the bottom is likely to pop up in the media soonish

    Outstanding effort, search!  :cool






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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #67 on: December 23, 2019, 11:50 »
    . . .
    so if the ARD is correct, one of the names from the upper list and one from that at the bottom is likely to pop up in the media soonish
    Well, certainly did our homework on that one! Tip o' the hat!
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #68 on: December 23, 2019, 11:53 »
    Deutschland Funk starring Thomas Müller.

     . . .
    Along with some good old oompah music! Lawrence Welk would have been proud!  :lol
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #69 on: December 23, 2019, 12:20 »
    Well, certainly did our homework on that one! Tip o' the hat!

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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #71 on: December 23, 2019, 16:14 »
    As to who the German riders are, it would be tempting to look at Mark Schmidt being from Erfurt and Kittel, Martin, Degenkolb, and Schachmann also being from Erfurt.

    Andreas Klöden is an old friend (since school days) of Danilo Hondo, who already confessed to have used Schmidt's services in 2011. So for the retired rider, he would be the least surprising one, I guess.

    Not that anyone would be surprised about him being a doper anyway.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #72 on: December 23, 2019, 16:43 »
    Andreas Klöden


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    If ever there was someone who could write a book. Klöden has seen it all.

    (Bobby Julich is the only other rider that comes to mind that rode for both Lance and Jan. How interesting it would've been to see both riders up close.)
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #73 on: February 22, 2020, 09:41 »
    Pirmin Lang is the Swiss.
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    Re: Operation Aderlass
    « Reply #75 on: January 24, 2021, 19:03 »
    Big Björn Thurau added to the list

    https://www.sportschau.de/doping/video-der-lange-atem-der-operation-aderlass-100.html

    I always liked his attacking racing style, but it's not a major surprise, tbh.
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    « Reply #76 on: January 24, 2021, 20:24 »
    Oh no Big Björn :( but no so surprise really.
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