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Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
« on: August 21, 2020, 09:03 »
Gap  ›  Privas Stage 5 - 02/09/2020 - 183km

The 5th stage on the Tour de France runs from Gap to Privas. At 183 kilometres, along an undulating route, the race is likely to see a bunch sprint on an uphill false flat.



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The journey through Provence will take the riders on the lands of olive trees as they go past Nyons and then to the kingdom of “nougat” in the city of Montélimar. But once in the Rhone Valley, the cycling speciality really is the bunched sprint. At the end of an uphill false-flat road on several kilometres, the one in Privas will concern the finest of specialists.







Gap

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Population: 42,600

Since the first victory of the “Belgian locomotive” Jef Demuysere in 1931, Gap frequently hosted the Tour de France, often as a launch-pad towards the summits (Briancon or Alpe d’Huez), but also as a prestigious stage finish. Solo attackers have often done well here, like Jean-François Bernard, who revealed himself in 1986, or Pierrick Fedrigo 20 years later. In 2011 and 2013, Gap celebrated world champions when Thor Hushovd and Rui Costa won stages with the rainbow jersey on their backs. In 1933 already, Georges Speicher had won in Gap wearing the world champion garment.
In recent years, solo raids were rewarded. In 2015, it was another solitary escapee, Ruben Plaza, who took the laurels with a 30-seconds lead over Peter Sagan, who collected second places that year.
Last year, it was the turn of European champion Matteo Trentin to snatch his third Tour stage on his own, the fourth for team Mitchelton-Scott.



Privas

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Population: 8,700

The Tour visited the prefecture of Ardèche for the start of a stage to Bourg d’Oisans in 1966. That day, Spaniard Luis Otaño took the laurels, while Roger Pingeon and Raymond Poulidor upset Jacques Anquetil in the rain in the descent of col d’Ornon. Privas also hosted the Critérium du Dauphiné several times, the last in 2009, when Alejandro Valverde raised his arms. In the 2019 Tour de l’Avenir 2019, Stefan Bissegger was the winner. Also in 2019, Marianne Vos won the women’s Tour de l’Ardèche in Privas after dominating the final stage.



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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #1 on: September 02, 2020, 17:06 »
     Well, turns out that wasn't quite as neutral a stage as it looked.

    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1301188547156807682
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #2 on: September 02, 2020, 18:37 »
    Yates A in #yellow
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #3 on: September 02, 2020, 20:28 »
     Well, the less said about that stage, the better.
    A total day off allowed Wout van Aert the luxury of expending a few watts going for the sprint and he duly obliged, taking  #jumbo's second win in two days.
    That aside, the only drama came via the race jury. Reports have suggested that Alaphilippe took a bidon from a roadside helper around 17km from the line.

    As a result the Frenchman lost the yellow jersey, which was instead handed to  #mitchelton’s Adam Yates.

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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2020, 20:40 »
    nul points for stage planning today - dull as Roglic's ski jump celebration...
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2020, 22:01 »
    So much for any French bias in favor of French riders.  :S

    In other news: It's being suggested in some circles that the reason no breaks were allowed today was due to the fears of some teams that the entire Tour could be in jeopardy after any random number of stages (because of COVID), and that nobody wants to risk losing the whole thing to a surprise "leader" as a result of one day's inattention.

    (Not that any great breaks were being pulled back, but it makes me wonder if some sort "agreement" had been reached for the above-stated reasons.)

    Interesting perspective.
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #6 on: September 03, 2020, 00:58 »
    I dont know that the issue was the planning - the issue was none of the peleton wanted to ride, no one wanted to go in the break as it was clear that it was going to be a sorint ... so was pretty much a rest day.

    Everyone would have been happy with a 30km race .... especially Alaphilippe who would not have needed a bottle for that
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #7 on: September 03, 2020, 07:39 »
    I dont know that the issue was the planning - the issue was none of the peleton wanted to ride, no one wanted to go in the break as it was clear that it was going to be a sorint ... so was pretty much a rest day.

    Everyone would have been happy with a 30km race .... especially Alaphilippe who would not have needed a bottle for that

    Yup.
    I saw it the same.
    It will be interesting to see how it plays out today.
    100kms of flat roads would usually mean that the break on a mountain stage might take as much as 60 or 70kms to form, because there is no terrain to put a stop to the attacks.

    But when the peloton only allows riders 3 minutes on the flat and teams like Jumbo and Ineos almost certain to do the same, 10kms from the approach to big climbs, what is the point?
    Were it not to put their sponsors in the shop window, I am pretty sure half the stages would look like yesterday.
    The days of the 20 minute gap are a thing of the past.
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #8 on: September 03, 2020, 09:23 »
    Ok agree but just don't see the 'invitation' in the design of yesterdays stage - zero opp for a breakaway to thrive and always going to be a sprint - QED yesterdays roman legion like march to the finish.  Anyway today is another day - and don't get me wrong I loved the last 1km yesterday!
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #9 on: September 03, 2020, 10:00 »
    I agree - it does make pretty boring racing.   But the Tour has always had those stages, this is nothing knew.  Riders simply cannot go every day, day after day ... so over a 3 week race, they will have days that are not that exciting.

    Usually these do include a break off the front instead of being on a sprint stage ... but its still essentially the same thing.  The peleton cruising along for the vast majority of the day, and the only interesting part is the last 5km.


    Yes I agree though, Covid and the threat of positive cases causing the cancellation/anandonment of the race adds another dimension, and means that we likely will not get a random break surviving and taking yellow.   Instead we are likely to have the GC types fighting for yellow that bit earlier.

    It may end up with more negative riding in holding it, or more attacking riding in others trying to get it.  who knows
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #10 on: September 03, 2020, 10:12 »
    The days of the 20 minute gap are a thing of the past.

    May be right about the 20 minutes  but in the Vuelta last year there was a quite succesful breakaway on stage 8  that helped #lotto CF Hagen get into top 10. I think he was 7th or 8th after the breakaway stage. The rest of the GC riders were 9 minutes behind.

    10 minutes isn't  20 and the Vuelta isnt the Tour either, but it was a break that was difficult to control.
     
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #11 on: September 03, 2020, 10:30 »


    Yes I agree though, Covid and the threat of positive cases causing the cancellation/abandonment of the race adds another dimension, ...


    Yes you have me thinking on that - I may have missed the fine print here - but anything but a ride to the line in Paris - means null and void re GC and jerseys - yes???  They cant be considering giving the leader that day a career Tour victory?  That asterisk would need to be bigger than those that they will be giving out at the US Open Tennis...

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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #12 on: September 03, 2020, 10:55 »
    Isnt the Tennis just the the "US" ... not so much 'Open" as no one else coming?  :lol


    and yeah I agree - you need to hold the jersey in to Paris to be considered to win IMO.    They had a winner at Paris-Nice though, with no ride into Nice.   And a winner at Dubai when the race was abandoned ... so the ASO/UCI could do anything.  They are a law unto themselves
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #13 on: September 03, 2020, 14:50 »
    Yes you have me thinking on that - I may have missed the fine print here - but anything but a ride to the line in Paris - means null and void re GC and jerseys - yes???  They cant be considering giving the leader that day a career Tour victory?
    That decision is up to the race jury (probably with input from the organisers).

    The UAE Tour and Paris-Nice had their last stage(s) cancelled and still crowned a winner - though of course that was 2/7 and 1/8 of the stages not being raced, respectively, and not e.g. 12/21.

    But still, if (hypothetically) the Tour were to be abandoned on the first rest day, why shouldn't the leader at that point be considered the winner?
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    Re: Stage 5 » Gap › Privas 183km
    « Reply #14 on: September 04, 2020, 10:12 »
    I see your point - but a couple of things:

    - UAE Tour and PN are not THE Tour - so no precedent per se
    - We have 7 non war years without a Tour Winner - so there is a precedent for a null and void outcome rather than an asterisked 'leading on the day' "winner".

    I would prefer no winner than a half distance winner???

    BTW - IMHO Bernal just squeaks by without an asterisk after weather intervention last year!
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