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Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2020, 11:10 »
Vlasov ----------> #ineos ?
Is their new transfer strategy to just sign anyone who is younger than 30 and can climb?!
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2021, 16:39 »
    This is unexpected:
    https://twitter.com/TeamDSM/status/1346486664382849024

    Marc Hirschi --> ???

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    Team DSM has reached a settlement agreement with their rider Marc Hirschi to terminate their present employment before the original end date of 31 December 2021. It has been agreed that the agreement will be terminated with immediate effect and that no further comments will be made.

    What I think happened: Hirschi agreed to sign somewhere for 2022, his current team found out (or was told) and gave him a simple choice: Stay with them for 2021, but not get selected for any races, or buy out his contract (with help from his new team) and transfer right away.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2021, 18:18 »
    .....or they had a difference of opinion on what his race calendar would look like. Maybe DSM were gonna send him to the Giro and Pologne instead of the Ardennes and Tour.

    Not sure where he'll end up. He have to weigh up freedom vs money.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #5 on: January 05, 2021, 22:23 »
    I’ll wager that he was on a very low salary, and UAE offered him 50 times that salary, which would enable Hirschi to buy himself out rather easily.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #6 on: January 05, 2021, 22:29 »
    a Dutch journalist on Twitter said that Sunweb was offering Hirschi to other teams on from September, so it may also have been the other way around.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #7 on: January 05, 2021, 22:33 »
    Bizarre.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 08:28 »
    https://twitter.com/DziamborKarol/status/1349374635540930561

    Groß is currently at the #uae training camp, and apparently will join the team after the Olympics.

    (tbc) #radnet Felix Groß --> #uae UAE Team Emirates
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #9 on: January 15, 2021, 09:14 »
    Groß is currently at the #uae training camp, and apparently will join the team after the Olympics.
    What happens if the Olympics are postponed again or even cancelled? :D
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #10 on: January 21, 2021, 10:57 »
    Glad to see that WVA re-ups- good for sport that he has not gone to the 'petro-chemical and plastic by-products' club...
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #11 on: April 16, 2021, 18:46 »
    You couldn't make this stuff up. :D

    https://www.indeleiderstrui.nl/wielrennen/nieuwe-zorgen-voor-team-dsm-hindley-wil-weg-ploegleiding-botst-met-kragh-andersen

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    Jai Hindley is 'the next leader who wants to leave' the Dutch team on a German license. The Australian, together with Romain Bardet leader in the upcoming Giro, would be the focus of Trek-Segafredo and Israel Start-Up Nation.

    Another successful pawn of Team DSM, two-time stage winner in the Tour Søren Kragh Andersen, recently also clashed with his own team, according to Het Nieuwsblad . Kragh Andersen wanted to copy his old position on his new time trial bike, but that was not allowed by the team. After his fifth place in the time trial of Paris-Nice, a dispute arose after which the team did not let him start. Officially because of back problems, but the truth was that he was expected in the Netherlands to clarify his position. ' Kragh Andersen still has a contract until the end of 2022.

    Hindley + SKA --------> ???
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #12 on: April 19, 2021, 11:56 »
    You couldn't make this stuff up. :D
    "Nobody is bigger than the team."
    "But sir, we are consistently losing the riders that we ourselves developed into winning riders. Maybe we should reconsider our stance?"
    "I said, nobody is bigger than the team!"

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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #13 on: April 19, 2021, 22:57 »
    "Nobody is bigger than the team."
    "But sir, we are consistently losing the riders that we ourselves developed into winning riders. Maybe we should reconsider our stance?"
    "I said, nobody is bigger than the team!"

     ;)

    I still hope some of their past succesful riders write an autobiography or something about their time as racers with Sunweb/what they call themselves now. Kittel and Dumoulin should have some time on their hands now. I have to admit, I really wonder about what is going on under the hood of this organization. The results are second to none, when the money involved (rumoured to be a low-budget team) are taken into account.

    However, all the big stars seem to depart with a quarrel.

    Andreas Leknessund would also be an interesting interview target in 1.5 years's time as he comes from a squad with a similar focus on developing riders (and they are good at it too) that nevertheless operates at a lower level. The difference is that while #unox sees the process of letting go of a rider as integral to the way they operate, and apparently they keep the door half-open for returning riders later, #dsm seems to burn all the bridges all of the time and the riders leaving are definetly done with the team.  There seems to be considerable bitterness and a bunch of more or less verifiable allegations of misconduct on both sides every time. How is it even possible to do this so consistently, over time?  :S

    It makes no sense in a pure sporting perspective, so I am going to place a bet that it has something to do with money. The team must struggle to make ends meet and there may be certain contractual terms, maybe increasing bonuses after x number of top results or something like that,  which seems attractive for riders when they are in need of a contract because there is a distinct financial upside to it while it also is attractive to a team with a limited budget as the base pay may be kept at a lower level. When riders come within striking distance of certain financial tresholds the team may hold them back, at least for a while, but that may not be enough,  and eventually the team just want to get rid of the riders, in order to protect their economy.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #14 on: April 21, 2021, 15:35 »
    I have to admit, I really wonder about what is going on under the hood of this organization.
    So do I.
    We all hear and read the references to 'the protocols' - but we don't really know what exactly they are. Everyone's rather tight-lipped about that.

    Regarding the development of riders from Conti to WorldTour level, there has been an interesting series of articles (in *dk) on Feltet.dk about the cooperation between #coloquick and #jumbo (and partly #unox).
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #15 on: April 21, 2021, 16:16 »
    those were missing:

    #cofidis (formerly) Julien Vermote
    #ccc (formerly) Guillaume van Keirsbulck

    --> #alpecin Alpecin Fenix

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/julien-vermote-signs-for-alpecin-fenix/
    https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/alpecin-fenix-contracteert-guillaume-van-keirsbulck/

    both signings are not confirmed with the UCI yet, and it'll be interesting to see how they are going to handle it - because the team is full. I guess they could try to move two of the current riders to the development team (Sweeck maybe, or Anderson, who both haven't raced yet this year), but by UCI rules, I don't see any chance to do that before August.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #16 on: April 22, 2021, 21:12 »
    those were missing:

    #cofidis (formerly) Julien Vermote
    #ccc (formerly) Guillaume van Keirsbulck

    --> #alpecin Alpecin Fenix

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/julien-vermote-signs-for-alpecin-fenix/
    https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/alpecin-fenix-contracteert-guillaume-van-keirsbulck/

    both signings are not confirmed with the UCI yet, and it'll be interesting to see how they are going to handle it - because the team is full. I guess they could try to move two of the current riders to the development team (Sweeck maybe, or Anderson, who both haven't raced yet this year), but by UCI rules, I don't see any chance to do that before August.
    I guess they could put Vermote and Van Keirsbulck in the development team and regularly 'promote' them to the ProTeam? They wouldn't be allowed to do WT races, but there's plenty of non-WT races they could do. And then they could do the switcharoo in August.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #17 on: April 24, 2021, 19:21 »
    https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1386014473505419266

    Not sure how likely any of that is.

    It's the usual quandary for Bennett. Stay with Uncle Pat for less money, but more wins or leave for the opposite elsewhere.

    Can't see Ackermann leaving "home" after just one poor (so far) season. Especially if Sagan is off to pastures new.

    The Laporte one smells of agents trying to drum up a better contract offer from Cofidis. They want to build their team around him and Martin, or so they have said.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #18 on: April 24, 2021, 20:22 »
    Denk mentioned the other day that they are not satisfied with Ackermann so far this year, and are unlikely to take him to the Tour. That could be a reason for him to leave, I guess?

    It never made much sense to bring him and Sagan to begin with of course, but as far as I understood, they promised him last year already
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #19 on: May 05, 2021, 15:12 »
    another strong youngster for #uae

    #radnet Felix Groß --> #uae UAE-Team Emirates

    Signed till 2024. He'll join the team as a stagaire after the Olympics already

    http://www.uaeteamemirates.com/uae-team-emirates-sign-young-german-talent-felix-gros/
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #20 on: May 05, 2021, 21:50 »
    https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1386014473505419266

    Can't see Ackermann leaving "home" after just one poor (so far) season. Especially if Sagan is off to pastures new.

    The Laporte one smells of agents

    Laporte can get another French team deal ok, there´s a never stopping merry-go-round for the riders slightly below top International level, it seems. Intermarche could also be part of it.

    But Ackermann? #israel ?

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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #21 on: May 07, 2021, 14:13 »
    https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1390623505381830658

    Sosa -----------> #bora or #movistar ?

    After the soap opera of his move from Androni, you can't say his time at the team has been a blazing success. On his day one of the best, but those days can be far between.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #22 on: May 07, 2021, 21:00 »
    But Ackermann? #israel ?

    I-SUN (like a lot of teams to be fair) are in need of a better sprinter. Unfortunately however they doled out 2-year contracts to Greipel and Barbier last year and the ones who are out of contract at the end of this season are the ones that you can make a case for keeping - Cimolai as a leadout and Hofstetter as more versatile/classics sprinter.

    For me what is needed is a young TT-ing climber like Almeida, but he ain't going to join and I don't see many other alternatives available this year. They could be forced to take a sprinter instead and in a year when Sagan, Gaviria, Bennett, Viviani and Herr Ackermann are all available and rumoured to be moving then you might be able to pick up the German for a not so inflated salary.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #23 on: May 09, 2021, 19:14 »
    It's the usual quandary for Bennett. Stay with Uncle Pat for less money, but more wins or leave for the opposite elsewhere.

    Lefevre confirms that he is leaving. Bora is mentioned again as a possibility.

    Also....

    https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1391290839209496576
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #24 on: May 13, 2021, 14:17 »
    Ciro must be doing a Giro transfer tweet a day.

    https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1392119461386334214

    https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1392113325421568005

    Aranburu's agent and Movistar must be on talking terms again.
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    « Reply #25 on: May 14, 2021, 07:05 »
    The Laporte one smells of agents trying to drum up a better contract offer from Cofidis. They want to build their team around him and Martin, or so they have said.

    according to today's Het Nieuwsblad, Laporte is in talks with #deceuninck.

    And #jumbo wants to sign two "Teunissen-like" first class domestiques for van Aert. Listed in the article as out-of-contract names of potential interest are Stybar, Senechal, Kristoff, Colbrelli, Haller, Mohoric, Gogl, Claeys, Theuns. Keukeleire, Langeveld, Sütterlin and Riesebeeck
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #26 on: May 18, 2021, 22:49 »
    Tobias Foss is on year two of  his first two-year contract with #jumbo  Jumbo-Visma. He hasn't really done much except two great opening stages and a few hopeful mountain stages in the Giro, on two consecutive years, as most of last year disappeared into the two holes of injuries after Andalucia fall (first race with the team if I am not wrong) and Covid-19 expelling the entire team from the Giro after one week last year.

    The team recently announced that a contract  extension for two more years (2022, 2023 seasons) have been signed. Foss is a very patient guy prioritizing his long-term development over short-term results and the team seems to agree to this philosophy. If nothing else he will probably become an important team member both for mountain stages and  team time trials in the future. If everything goes according to Tobias' hopes he will be the best Norwegian GC rider in 50 years .... in a few year's time. Maybe that other sponsor of team (Norwegian-owned software company Visma) likes the idea.....  (so far they are not using their cycling sponsorship in Norwegian marketing, it seems to be specifically targeting the Be-ne-lux market. In Norway, they sponsor second-tier XC ski racing and that actually gets more attention in the news :fp )



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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #27 on: May 23, 2021, 23:24 »
    The Sagan carrousel continues to turn ...

    https://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_125071.htm

    Other than Sagan himself, you'll apparently also have to sign four more riders (Juraj, Erik Baška, Daniel Oss, and Maciej Bodnar) plus one DS, two mechanics, a physio, a soigneur, a press officer and ex-pro-turned-hospitality-manager Michael Kolar.

    Combined cost of this 'package' is 5-8 million €.

    #quickstep continue to be rumoured, but Lefevere has said he doesn't want a "team within the team".
    #bora say they are still negotiating.
    And somehow #movistar are now also in the picture - though how the Specialized-Sagan deal fits into that, I don't know. Movistar switching to Spesh (with Bora moving to Canyon instead)?

    All we know is that we don't know anything yet.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #28 on: May 24, 2021, 07:24 »
    #quickstep continue to be rumoured, but Lefevere has said he doesn't want a "team within the team".

    I'm with Pat. Oss and Bodnar on 1 year contracts okay. A mechanic and a soigneur maybe. No more than that.
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    Re: Mens' Transfers and Rumours 2021-22
    « Reply #29 on: May 28, 2021, 20:09 »
    The Sagan carrousel continues to turn ...

    #quickstep continue to be rumoured, but Lefevere has said he doesn't want a "team within the team".
    #bora say they are still negotiating.
    And somehow #movistar are now also in the picture - though how the Specialized-Sagan deal fits into that, I don't know. Movistar switching to Spesh (with Bora moving to Canyon instead)?

    https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1398162432619696132

    Add #total and #israel to the equation.
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