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Stage 20: Lure - La Planche des Belles Filles 36.2 km

The end of Tour time-trials are the less predictable of the discipline. They’re even less when the course on the menu is an uphill climb like the one to La Planche-des-Belles-Filles, 5.9kms long at an average of 8.5%. If the gaps are small coming into the trial, the positions on the podium could dramatically change. - Christian Prudhomme



The climb will be even harder than usual, as it serves at the finish climb of a 36.2 kilometres ITT.
The race opens with approximately 15 kilometres on virtually valley roads. Then the route begins to incline – at shallow gradients, but given the finale this is an interesting section. Save energy or keep on pushing? The riders crest the Col de la Chevestraye at kilometre 25 before a descent of almost 3 kilometres runs onto the last climb of the 2020 Tour de France.



La Planche des Belles Filles was first included in the Tour de France of 2012. Almost overnight it has become a feared and revered climb after its inclusions in the editions of 2014, 2017 and 2019. Last year, the route was pepped up by an unpaved last kilometre, but that section will be skipped.
La Planche des Belles Filles is 5.9 kilometres long with an average gradient of 8.5%. The steepest ramp, at 20%, appears just before the finish line.



The intermediate time checks are located at kilometre 14.4 and at kilometre 30.3, which is at the base of La Planche des Belles Filles.

A clash of team mates Roglic and Dumooulin could be on the cards. The course is similar to the ITT World Championships of 2017 in Bergen when Dumoulin took gold, Roglic silver and Froome bronze. That Bergen ITT was played out an a 31 kilometres route that was slightly undulating until the finish climb appeared. The ascent was not unlike La Planche des Belles Filles, only a little shorter and steeper.

Favourites 20th stage 2020 Tour de France

:*:*:* Tom Dumoulin, Primoz Roglic, Tadej Pogacar

:*:* Lennard Kämna, Julian Alaphilippe, Wout van Aert

:* Daniel Felipe Martínez, Richie Porte, Rémi Cavagna

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    I guess #ef Tejay saved himself for this, didn't he?! :dizzy
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    some interesting points from Jumbo:

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    (gt) "The plan, and we decided together, is that Wout will go full speed in the time trial," Heijboer says. Thijs Zonneveld and Hidde van Warmerdam ask whether the Belgian has a chance of a victory. 'Yes, that's possible. But then he will have to start the final climb with thirty / forty seconds ahead of Primoz Roglic. ' Earlier it was mentioned that Van Aert might not complete the time trial, with a view to next week's World Cup.

    Tom Dumoulin is back at the start of a time trial for the first time in a long time, and Heijboer has confidence in him too. 'I certainly see Tom competing for the top ten, but secretly I hope he can compete for the victory. However, that remains to be seen, 'said the Jumbo-Visma coach to the men of AD.

    Primoz Roglic is the man to beat on Saturday. The weather (especially against wind) should be in Roglic's favor, Heijboer thinks. 'Primoz can make itself very small, is very aerodynamic, and also able to retain its power. We look forward to the battle with confidence. ' A potential downside could be the suit. Roglic is wearing the yellow jersey and therefore has to wear a jersey from the organization. 'That's a shame. We are developing all year round, together with our clothing sponsor AGU. And then you can't take that suit in the most important time trial of the year. The sport can take steps in that direction.

    https://www.indeleiderstrui.nl/tour-de-france/311259/jumbo-visma-hakt-knoop-door-van-aert-gaat-voluit-in-de-tijdrit
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    La Planche des Belles Filles (36.2km) start times

    13:00:00 KLUGE Roger LTS GER
    13:01:30 FRISON Frederik LTS BEL
    13:03:00 EWAN Caleb LTS AUS
    13:04:30 HALLER Marco TBM AUT
    13:06:00 DE BUYST Jasper LTS BEL
    13:07:30 BONIFAZIO Niccolò TDE ITA
    13:09:00 BOL Cees SUN NED
    13:10:30 CHEVALIER Maxime BVC FRA
    13:12:00 NIV Guy ISN ISR

    13:13:30 BENNETT Sam DQT IRL
    13:15:00 WALSCHEID Maximilian NTT GER
    13:16:30 VIVIANI Elia COF ITA
    13:18:00 REZA Kévin BVC FRA
    13:19:30 RUSSO Clément ARK FRA
    13:21:00 KRISTOFF Alexander UAD NOR
    13:22:30 MØRKØV Michael DQT DEN

    13:24:00 BURGAUDEAU Mathieu TDE FRA
    13:25:30 JANSEN Amund Grøndahl TJV NOR
    13:27:00 ROWE Luke IGD GBR
    13:28:30 DECLERCQ Tim DQT BEL
    13:30:00 SOUPE Geoffrey TDE FRA
    13:31:30 POLITT Nils ISN GER
    13:33:00 KOCH Jonas CCC GER

    13:34:30 GIBBONS Ryan NTT RSA
    13:36:00 PEDERSEN Mads TFS DEN
    13:37:30 ARNDT Nikias SUN GER
    13:39:00 COQUARD Bryan BVC FRA
    13:40:30 MARTIN Tony TJV GER
    13:42:00 THEUNS Edward TFS BEL
    13:43:30 CAVAGNA Rémi DQT FRA
    13:45:00 ASGREEN Kasper DQT DEN

    13:46:30 GRELLIER Fabien TDE FRA
    13:48:00 HOFSTETTER Hugo ISN FRA
    13:49:30 COSNEFROY Benoit ALM FRA
    13:51:00 CONSONNI Simone COF ITA
    13:52:30 POELS Wouter TBM NED
    13:54:00 MARCATO Marco UAD ITA
    13:55:30 LAPORTE Christophe COF FRA

    13:57:00 TURGIS Anthony TDE FRA
    13:58:30 SWIFT Connor ARK GBR
    14:00:00 KREUZIGER Roman NTT CZE
    14:01:30 OSS Daniel BOH ITA
    14:03:00 NIEUWENHUIS Joris SUN NED
    14:04:30 VENTURINI Clément ALM FRA
    14:06:00 LEDANOIS Kévin ARK FRA

    14:07:30 JUUL JENSEN Christopher MTS DEN
    14:09:00 DE MARCHI Alessandro CCC ITA
    14:10:30 BOASSON HAGEN Edvald NTT NOR
    14:12:00 VAN ASBROECK Tom ISN BEL
    14:13:30 BARTHE Cyril BVC FRA
    14:15:00 IMPEY Daryl MTS RSA
    14:16:30 COLBRELLI Sonny TBM ITA
    14:18:00 LADAGNOUS Matthieu GFC FRA
    14:19:30 PEDERSEN Casper Phillip SUN DEN
    14:21:00 QUINTANA Dayer ARK COL

    14:22:30 DEVENYNS Dries DQT BEL
    14:24:00 VAN GARDEREN Tejay EF1 USA
    14:25:30 KEUKELEIRE Jens EF1 BEL
    14:27:00 SIVAKOV Pavel IGD RUS
    14:28:30 MEZGEC Luka MTS SLO
    14:30:00 PERICHON Pierre luc COF FRA
    14:31:30 NEILANDS Krists ISN LAT
    14:33:00 SAGAN Peter BOH SVK
    14:34:30 BAUER Jack MTS NZL
    14:36:00 LAENGEN Vegard Stake UAD NOR
    14:37:30 CATALDO Dario MOV ITA

    14:39:00 SKUJINS Toms TFS LAT
    14:40:30 TRENTIN Matteo CCC ITA
    14:42:00 GAUTIER Cyril BVC FRA
    14:43:30 MOHORIC Matej TBM SLO
    14:45:00 BENOOT Tiesj SUN BEL
    14:46:30 ERVITI Imanol MOV ESP
    14:48:00 AMADOR Andrey IGD CRC
    14:50:00 DE LA CRUZ David UAD ESP
    14:52:00 SCHÄR Michael CCC SUI
    14:54:00 STUYVEN Jasper TFS BEL
    14:56:00 HUNDAHL VALGREN Michael NTT DEN

    14:58:00 ROJAS José MOV ESP
    15:00:00 HERMANS Ben ISN BEL
    15:02:00 HIRT Jan CCC CZE
    15:04:00 ANACONA Winner ARK COL
    15:06:00 PETERS Nans ALM FRA
    15:08:00 GROSSSCHARTNER Felix BOH AUT
    15:10:00 BETTIOL Alberto EF1 ITA
    15:12:00 ROCHE Nicolas SUN IRL
    15:14:00 NAESEN Oliver ALM BEL

    15:16:00 FRAILE Omar AST ESP
    15:18:00 KRAGH ANDERSEN Søren SUN DEN
    15:20:00 VAN BAARLE Dylan IGD NED
    15:22:00 OLIVEIRA Nelson MOV POR
    15:24:00 POWLESS Neilson EF1 USA
    15:26:00 SCHACHMANN Maximilian BOH GER
    15:28:00 DE GENDT Thomas LTS BEL
    15:30:00 PACHER Quentin BVC FRA

    15:32:00 HIRSCHI Marc SUN SUI
    15:34:00 EG Niklas TFS DEN
    15:36:00 GESCHKE Simon CCC GER
    15:38:00 VAN AVERMAET Greg CCC BEL
    15:40:00 EDET Nicolas COF FRA
    15:42:00 LUTSENKO Alexey AST KAZ
    15:44:00 HOULE Hugo AST CAN
    15:46:00 TEJADA Harold AST COL
    15:48:00 HERRADA Jesus COF ESP

    15:50:00 JUNGELS Bob DQT LUX
    15:52:00 POLANC Jan UAD SLO
    15:54:00 MARTIN Daniel ISN IRL
    15:56:00 GESINK Robert TJV NED
    15:58:00 MOLARD Rudy GFC FRA
    16:00:00 BUCHMANN Emanuel BOH GER
    16:02:00 CARTHY Hugh John EF1 GBR

    16:04:00 ALAPHILIPPE Julian DQT FRA
    16:06:00 KÄMNA Lennard BOH GER
    16:08:00 VUILLERMOZ Alexis ALM FRA
    16:10:00 SANCHEZ Luis León AST ESP
    16:12:00 SICARD Romain TDE FRA
    16:14:00 BENNETT George TJV NZL
    16:16:00 PINOT Thibaut GFC FRA
    16:18:00 KWIATKOWSKI Michal IGD POL

    16:20:00 MARTINEZ Daniel Felipe EF1 COL
    16:22:00 MADOUAS Valentin GFC FRA
    16:24:00 CHAVES Esteban MTS COL
    16:26:00 CHEREL Mikael ALM FRA
    16:28:00 ELISSONDE Kenny TFS FRA
    16:30:00 REICHENBACH Sébastien GFC SUI
    16:32:00 IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka AST ESP
    16:34:00 SOLER Marc MOV ESP

    16:36:00 VAN AERT Wout TJV BEL
    16:38:00 VERONA Carlos MOV ESP
    16:40:00 ROLLAND Pierre BVC FRA
    16:42:00 QUINTANA Nairo ARK COL
    16:44:00 BILBAO Pello TBM ESP
    16:46:00 KUSS Sepp TJV USA
    16:48:00 BARGUIL Warren ARK FRA
    16:50:00 CARAPAZ Richard IGD ECU
    16:52:00 MARTIN Guillaume COF FRA
    16:54:00 CARUSO Damiano TBM ITA
    General classification top-10 start times

    16:56:00 VALVERDE Alejandro MOV ESP
    16:58:00 DUMOULIN Tom TJV NED
    17:00:00 URAN Rigoberto EF1 COL
    17:02:00 YATES Adam MTS GBR
    17:04:00 MAS Enric MOV ESP
    17:06:00 LANDA Mikel TBM ESP
    17:08:00 PORTE Richie TFS AUS
    17:10:00 LOPEZ Miguel Angel AST COL
    17:12:00 POGACAR Tadej UAD SLO
    17:14:00 ROGLIC Primož TJV SLO
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    #groupama Pinot said he will not stop in his home town, but go full out today. He is still in pain though, and doesn't expect any more than top 30 maybe
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    #groupama Pinot said he will not stop in his home town, but go full out today. He is still in pain though, and doesn't expect any more than top 30 maybe

    Frankly, I don't believe him. 3 weeks and riding 3,000kms with back pain that bad?
    Sure it wouldn't heal, the opposite would happen and he would get worse.
    We saw that with Bernal.
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    Times for the climb.
    1) T Pogacar 16:10
    2) R Porte 16:32
    3) W Van Aert 16:52
    4) E Mas 17:00
    5) P Bilbao 17:15
    6) D Martinez 17:19
    7) R Carapaz 17:22
    8) M Landa 17:23
    9) M Soler 17:24
    10) W Barguil 17:27
    11) P Roglic 17:30
    12) T Dumoulin 17:32

    M A Lopez 44th.
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    It's nearly 8:00 pm here (past midnight for Europe), and I'm still reeling from today's events.  :S

    As I mentioned in the race chat...

    It's fascinating to me that all the major leap-frogging potentials actually panned out.

    1) Caruso lept over Valverde, grabbing his Top 10 GC in the process.

    2) Porte lept over Miguel Angel Lopez to grab the third step on the podium in Paris.

    3) Pogacar lept over his countryman, Roglic, to secure one of the more dramatic and fantastical wins in Tour history.

    It seems that all the most significant "what ifs?" became a series of "OMGs"!!!!!

    What a day. What a Tour. So glad I was able to watch so much of it. It went by in the blink of an eye. I  can't believe that three weeks of racing just transpired.

    Serious kudos to ASO for pulling this one off.

    So many doubts; so many obstacles; and yet...

    One for the ages.

    Amazing.
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    yeah, that was a bit more spectatcular than expected.

    And no matter what MV says, I'll just keep on posting Pinot pictures :D

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    well, and maybe this as well

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    It was truly amazing.

    For Pogacar to beat Dumoulin by THAT much was simply an astounding ride.  Roglic did not do as well as he would have hoped - but it wasnt a bad ride by any means.  He didnt lose it as much as Pogacar won it.

    I am sad for Jumbo Visma. They did everything right the entire race ... just beaten on the last day by a better guy.   And Pogacar - this was the only way he could win.  He didnt have a team, so it wasnt possible to take the jersey earlier and try and control things, he could only try and grab it on the last day.

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    And Pogacar - this was the only way he could win.  He didnt have a team, so it wasnt possible to take the jersey earlier and try and control things, he could only try and grab it on the last day.

    I had actually forgotten that he lost both Fabio Aru (on Stage 9) and Davide Formolo (on Stage 10).

    Two men down, and on a weaker team to begin with, and yet Pogačar still managed the seemingly impossible feat of taking on the world, and winning the biggest race on the planet—and doing so nearly single-handedly.

    All at the ripe old age of 21.  :S

    Amazing!  :cool
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    I'm as surprised as anyone that I'm beating AG to the punch on this one but... :P

    I'm quite happy for Richie Porte as well, especially since he sacrificed the chance to be at his wife's side for the birth of their second child.

    At first that seemed to me a cold and almost cruel decision, but it was COVID and the current pandemic that forced him into such a unexpected conflict of schedules.

    But what vindication he will feel now, and with the support of his wife all along. A great moment for both of them, and one they likely won't ever regret, especially given all that Porte has been through, and his difficult relationship with the Tour in years past. It's just so refreshing to see and hear the joy associated with being on the podium, even when it's not the top step.
     :)

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    For Pogacar to beat Dumoulin by THAT much was simply an astounding ride.  Roglic did not do as well as he would have hoped - but it wasnt a bad ride by any means.  He didnt lose it as much as Pogacar won it.
    ....


    .....
    Two men down, and on a weaker team to begin with, and yet Pogačar still managed the seemingly impossible feat of taking on the world, and winning the biggest race on the planet—and doing so nearly single-handedly.

    All at the ripe old age of 21.  :S
    ......

    I haven't been able to contribute much to discussions here this TdF because watching stages on re-runs late at night meant go to bed directly afterwards for me, but also because long discussions at the start of the TV transmissions have covered much of my own need for input. TV2 has had an excellent crew to fill in the gaps left by no live image for the first 75 minutes, with Thour Hushovd as the main expert commentary but guest appearances from for example Stein Ørn and interviews with  the guy who was waiting at the top of the hill after Roglic flipped in Planica. He would actually stick the landing and  go on and take the world record later - to me this exposed Roglic as a ski jumper that, while still a ski jumper of high international standard, didn't have the best controll of his nerves.  Fast forward to the Roglic we saw riding unusally nervous on the downhills in the Pyrenees.

    Another very interesting interview was with #jumbo Tobias Foss - on the topic of the Col de La Loze - which was a featured climb when he won the Tour de'l Avenir last year. He mentioned something along the lines of it was very important to ride within your limits on this climb as too high effort on the very steep climb here on altitude could definetly take more out of you than what you would get back in terms of seconds at the finish line.  Maybe Primoz should have heard that interview before the stage.

    Foss of course is now next in line as with both Bernal and Pogacar we see there is a direct pipeline from the L'avenir victory to yellow at the Champs-Elyssées.  :D Jokes aside, last years winner and this years winner actually won in quite similar approach let me call it "the smaller brother victory" where a young rider is able to succesfully attack the establishment late in the tour - the lack of pressure and very limited fear of failure in the motivation mix was obvious, especially contrasting Pogacar's active approach with Roglic riding extremely conservatively, even for Roglic being Roglic. I think the hit-and-miss disasters of stage 1 really put some fear of falling into him that I haven't seen before, and it is possible that the fall in the Dauphine still affected him more than he would like to admit.

    Roglic comes across as a guy who doesn't like to be seen as someone who complains much, and he has extensive experience in repairing his body, so mentally, some part of him not functioning |00% can be something he can't do anything about in the race and it is out of his head. Physically, it can still explain a surprisingly bad performance - although 3 weeks of accumulated fatigue would probably leave everyone but Grand Tour GC contenders immobile anyway.  In particular, the first thing I noticed when I saw Roglic on the TT bike yesterday was that there was something very wrong with his positioning on the bike. His lower back appeared completely inflexible and consequently his back was arching upwards like if the humpback had escaped from the fires of the church in Paris.

    If you check back on the pictures from the stage, notice how #uae Pogacar's back is much more flexible both up down and side-to-side as he is pedalling. I would compare his positioning on the bike with Tom Dumoulin 2016/2017 - in other words, that is world champion level TT riding there. Interestingly Tom Dumoulin himself appears to have lost some of that flexibility now and he is much more static on the bike, if not quite as bad as with Roglic. Could be that #jumbo hasn't paid enough attention to stretching and core exercises, but the simpler explanation could be that crashing on the bike is sometimes quite bad for your back, and recovering while racing is overrated.

    Further to the bad positioning on the TT bike we saw Roglic doing a lot of climbing out of the saddle, a technique he only used selectively,  at the steepest points onthe Col de la Loze.  (The image of #jumbo Sepp Kuss climbing standing on the bike ahead of #yellow Roglic is one I remember from that stage.) I can't see the reason for that if he wasn't trying to compensate for what looked like lower back pain on the TT bike. (This isn't as easy to spot on the road bike). I just don't think Roglic enough of a complainer to blame something very specific in his back, instead he said something like I tried my best, and the results are what they are. Obviously very disappointed but he did not in any way try to diminish the greatness of #uae Pogacar's victory.

    Such grace in (big) defeat probably wins Roglic lots of friends among the cyling fans.  :cool

    Egan Berrnal (missing in action) has proven that the difficult second album problem also exists in cycling and I don't consider it anywhere near given that a boy who not long ago dreamed of competing in the Tour de France (not to win it) will win it repeatedly going forward.  The small brother victory can be won only once. If you are a proven GC contender that emerges at the penultimate stage to take the jersey,  I call it a shark attack, and that's something different.  (Speaking of which, we will have the #jumbo Cruiseship vs #trek lo Squalo coming up in the next series shortly.) Not even Froome managed the difficult second album, by the way.

    Final word, everyone speaks of Roglic's time trial as a major failure but in fact it was just short of good enough to win the Tour de France, despite his obvious problems he struggled on. No one mentions #astana Miguel Angel - what the *censored* happened to him? That was the real big disappointment of the day.
    (Not for me, I think #trek Porte kind of deserved a podium by now.) Was Superman even trying?

    EDIT/ADDITION: Was that the price to pay for going to deep at the top of the Col de la Loze? (ref #jumbo Tobias Foss comments in the interview).

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    Book-keeping services here are terrible when I am away :P
    Here are the stage results:
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    oh, and just a comparison: the time gap for the podium (1:21) is exactly the same as in the Bergen world championships (which was just slightly shorter at 31 km and had the same ___/ profile as this stage).  Tom Dumoulin was his "best ever" that day and that week (quoting himself).

    Further down on the list the gaps are much larger in this stage than in the world championships, showing the difference 3 weeks of fatigue makes among the lesser ranked riders.



     

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    Final word, everyone speaks of Roglic's time trial as a major failure but in fact it was just short of good enough to win the Tour de France, despite his obvious problems he struggled on.

    The thing is, he may have struggled yesterday, and not delivered his best performance, but it would seem that even if Roglic had put in a solid effort, it still wouldn't have been enough, as Pogacar was just that dominant. Considering the time gaps that Tadej put in against everyone else, I'm not sure there's anything Primoz could've done to salvage his yellow jersey.

    Pogacar was an all-out assassin yesterday.

    The bike change for Roglic also displayed uncharacteristic chaos and panic on behalf of #jumbo.
    Just watch how scrambled the mechanic seemed as he removed the climbing bike from the roof of the team car. The entire episode played out as if it were an unplanned crisis mid-stage. And then there was the obvious push that seemed to clearly go beyond the allowed five seconds. I commented on it at the time in the race thread. It just seemed like such an idiotic infraction to impose on oneself. I'm just grateful that things weren't so close between the two Slovenians that such an incident would make for controversy, or, even worse, end up being a deciding factor in the outcome either way.


    Apparently Tadej and his team scoped out the iTT course three times prior to yesterday,  so he didn't need to preview the course the day of as others most likely did. He said that he was familiar with every pothole, turn, etc. It also speaks volumes to the #uae  team strategy. The knew not only the significance and importance of the iTT stage, they also were confident enough well ahead of time that Tadej would be in a position to seal victory on the penultimate day. What tremendous faith and confidence that shows.

    Hats off to DS Alan Peiper as well. All his experience came into play, no doubt, as he perfectly prepared his young star for what was to come.

    I suspect that we will be talking about, and reflecting upon, this 2020 Tour for quite some time.
    And for all the right reasons.  :)
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    It's been a funny old season and a funny old year. I hope everyone on the board is doing well through all these troubles. COVID and work have interrupted my usual schedule of posting myself into form over the classics for a summer of GT chitchat, so I've made my maiden VR contribution of the season in September. Like T-72, I've been watching most of the race via highlights and re-runs late at night, so not been in the chat.

    What a stage, eh? Got spoiled via text as I'd gone out to IKEA thinking nothing could happen on the day. Whoops.

    Pogacar was something else that day. A man possessed.
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    What a stage, eh? Got spoiled via text as I'd gone out to IKEA thinking nothing could happen on the day. Whoops.

    To recap the basic tone of the live chat:

    Ho hum... :ohu

    Hum...:slow

    Hu...??? :wut

    Wait...could he?  :flustered

    Hold on...Did he?!?!  :beaten

    OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!

     :party :lll :flustered :lll :party :lll :party :lll :win  :( :win  :( :win  :(

     :) :S :) :S :)

    Something like that.  :P

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    It was late at night here, and I had actually fallen asleep.  I woke up when all the excitement was getting louder ... to find Pogacar had made up 20 seconds in GC and was going like a steam train - so joined the 'OMG' brigade :lol

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    I previously missed this little tidbit of UCI overreach.

    Tom Dumoulin and Tony Martin were found to be in violation of UCI regulation 1.3.064.

    That rule states that former world champions may wear rainbow bands on the collars and cuffs of their jerseys, but the ex-world TT champions' long-sleeved skinsuits instead featured the bands...midway up their sleeves!
     :o



    Each were fined 2,000 Swiss francs for their gross insubordination. :spank

     :S
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    Yes interpretation of the rule needs changing, not the interpretation on kit.

    So related to that  - shouldn't teams be fined if they do not pay full homage to a riders achievements  - case in point Kwiatkowski's Ineos kit. One sleeve and no collar... is that due respect for the effort he made and the prestige that those bands endow a jersey?

    (Sorry cant load the Kwia-Carapaz image right now to illustrate!)
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    I previously missed this little tidbit of UCI overreach.
    The UCI could - and, in my opinion, absolutely should - contact teams before the start of every cycling year (i.e., during the off-season) to ask for their kit designs not only for current, but also for former world champions, and alert teams to any 'transgressions' to this frankly ridiculous rule before anyone wears such a kit in competition.

    But no, they rather sit on their hands and then throw down big fines. :S
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    shouldn't teams be fined if they do not pay full homage to a riders achievements  - case in point Kwiatkowski's Ineos kit. One sleeve and no collar... is that due respect for the effort he made and the prestige that those bands endow a jersey?

    (Sorry cant load the Kwia-Carapaz image right now to illustrate!)

    I hadn't noticed that previously, but I agree. It does NOT do justice to the man's achievements.
    (Although I don't quite follow the Carapaz reference in regards to this topic.)

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    The UCI could - and, in my opinion, absolutely should - contact teams before the start of every cycling year (i.e., during the off-season) to ask for their kit designs not only for current, but also for former world champions, and alert teams to any 'transgressions' to this frankly ridiculous rule before anyone wears such a kit in competition.

    This touches on an entirely different issue as well.

    Teams spend considerable time and money on developing specially-designed, aerodynamic jersey using hi-tech materials, etc.

    However, should a rider then suffer the misfortune of being assigned a leader''s jersey, such as the #yellow or #white, then they must, according to the almighty UCI, wear the jersey provided by the Overlords from Aigle.

    Such was the case, apparently, with both Roglič and Pogačar.

    So in that sense, and in that particular case, they were both denied what their teammates were able to take advantage of in terms of the latest and greatest. Does that even it all out? Perhaps (although I haven't confirmed that that was the case with Tadej, but it certainly was with Primož).

    I'm not even remotely pretending to suggest that Roglič would've performed noticeably better with his hi-tech jersey, but the UCI is way out of bounds on this issue—should they even consult me for my opinion.
     :-x
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    Hi DB - yes I was trying to post the joyous two up stage wining pic in Ineos Grenadiers kit - so including RC but not in relation to!  Sorry for confusion
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    yes I was trying to post the joyous two up stage wining pic in Ineos Grenadiers kit -

    Well then, by all means!  :P



    Curious that the rainbows seem to have switched arms on Kwiatkowsk, from right to left, though. :slow
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    swtiched arms - but its still only 1 sleeve and no collar.  Not good.

    In fact - some of the National Champions jerseys are a disgrace too ... If the UCI want to get pedantic about jerseys and the like, they should have a review of some of those
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    In fact - some of the National Champions jerseys are a disgrace too ... If the UCI want to get pedantic about jerseys and the like, they should have a review of some of those
    I am in complete agreement. But national champion's jerseys are approved (or not) by the relevant national federations - many of which greenlight just about everything, sadly.
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